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It's been a while (Need new gear)
« on: October 26, 2009, 04:58:32 PM »
Ok...so a while back I sold off my PMD660 and MBHO's :(....but now I have moved to Va....got a brand new fancy job..and thinking about getting back into the game.

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franken naks and MBHO's.....pretty set on finding a set of MBHO actives....so next is the recorder...

Anything new out?  Or should I go back to the 660?  I want a simple setup like I had....but I haven't been around much so not sure if the PMD has been bested by something new......
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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 05:23:49 PM »
If you liked the Marantz, then their newest offering (a 661 I think) might be more to your liking then some others in the comparable price range.
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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 05:33:54 PM »
If you would like to do a matrix once in a while and want simple the R4 is about as simple as it gets w/ 4 track ;)
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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 06:47:57 PM »
Anything new out?  Or should I go back to the 660?  I want a simple setup like I had....but I haven't been around much so not sure if the PMD has been bested by something new......

Depending on your budget, FR2-LE is supposed to be good value with similar specs. Can be had with various mods too.
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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 09:44:10 PM »
Buy an R4 or a FR2LE

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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 10:20:05 AM »
Buy an R4 or a FR2LE

Will be looking into both of these....now just gotta find some active MBHO
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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 10:49:39 AM »
Buy an R4 or a FR2LE

Will be looking into both of these....now just gotta find some active MBHO

I'd say forget about both the R4 or the FR2LE.  If you want to go 4 channel, the Edirol R44 is a better unit (smaller, flash card based, bit peftect digital input) than the older R4.  And if you only need two channel, I think the Marantz PMD-661 is a better deck than the Fostex FR2LE.  Both have XLR inputs with phantom power, but the PMD-661 has a digital input, has autosplit (the FR2LE stops when the file size gets to 4gb), I think is slightly smaller, and gets plenty of runtime from 4 AA batteries.

so I would recommend looking at either the R44 or the PMD-661.

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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 10:54:36 AM »
I like the suggestions of the PMD 661 for 2-channel but not sure why no one's mentioned the Sound Devices 7 series.  The 702/722 are great all-in-one devices like the others, with a nice sounding, low-noise preamp, relatively compact size, great battery life with the Sony camcorder batteries, rock-solid reliability, and those nice, bright LEDs.  No digi in/out though.  For 4-channel, the 744T seems like a good option also.

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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 01:25:22 PM »
The 702/722 are great all-in-one devices like the others, with a nice sounding, low-noise preamp, relatively compact size, great battery life with the Sony camcorder batteries, rock-solid reliability, and those nice, bright LEDs.  No digi in/out though.

The 7xx boxes have both digital inputs and outputs.  See pages 15 and 21 of the 702 manual for example.

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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2009, 01:30:19 PM »
I run the Marantz PMD671. I have been very happy with it so far.  There are several mods available by Oade or Busman.

Sound Device 7xx are incrediable machines, just pricey...plus I dont love the pre on them

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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2009, 02:30:12 PM »
I like the suggestions of the PMD 661 for 2-channel but not sure why no one's mentioned the Sound Devices 7 series.  The 702/722 are great all-in-one devices like the others, with a nice sounding, low-noise preamp, relatively compact size, great battery life with the Sony camcorder batteries, rock-solid reliability, and those nice, bright LEDs.  No digi in/out though.  For 4-channel, the 744T seems like a good option also.

I think it's the same thing as suggesting to a person looking at Honda, Toyota, and Nissan that a Porsche is a better car, why not look at that.

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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 03:06:03 PM »
661 or FR2LE.

7XX if you like pretty lights and fancy job = money to burn
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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009, 03:41:06 PM »
I think it's the same thing as suggesting to a person looking at Honda, Toyota, and Nissan that a Porsche is a better car, why not look at that.

Well, he didn't mention anything about price being an issue, but did say he's been out awhile so I figured that he may not be aware that they even exist. 

Re: the digi in/out, thanks for the clarification notlance, I didn't realize that there are other inputs/outputs than coax and optical for digital. 

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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2009, 05:22:49 PM »
It hasn't been mentioned, but the 660 is 16 bit and all of the suggestions made so far are 24bit.  You definitely want to go with a 24bit machine.  The prices are reasonable and 24 bit gives you far more latitude in the live setting for getting the recording right since you don't need to run hot.  In other words, the accepted practice of running levels has also changed from when you were last into taping...you don't want to set 24bit up near 0db because you'll lose all your headroom for when the show goes louder and you're not watching.  Instead, run the levels between -12db and -6db and fagetabotit.  You then adjust upwards in post without losing an bit of fidelity.

Don't buy the FR2LE.  It's a good box, but no digital in.  Don't buy the R4 unless it's a warm mod...it sounds like crap IMHO, unless you like tinny shrill sounding recordings.  Digital input is resampled on the R4...which is a ridiculous design feature IMHO given the unipressive sound the box has in the first place.

The R44 is a great box, but it's a little bit dull sounding unmodded to my ears...modded R44s sound outstanding...great presence and great overall sound. 

Personally, I think one of the best sounding boxes is the modded PMD-671, and there's a couple of those sitting in the yard sale right now for discounted prices because for wathever reason, the 671 seems to be out of style lately...which is ridiculous given how this machine sounds.

Personally, I enjoy having the flexibility of changing my sound up, so I have an outboard preamp and save size on the back end by using a hand-held R-09HR, which also does high quality A/D.  It's not an all-in-one, but I sacrifice nothing in either sound or size with what I run.

Bottom line for me is if I was in the market for an all-in-one, it would be either a modded 661, modded 671, or modded R-44, with the R-44 probably being my first choice. 
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Re: It's been a while (Need new gear)
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 07:36:22 PM »
I will also add that I have seen quite a few
people run their 7xx as just bit buckets.
EXT pre and a/d > 7xx

This makes absolutely no sense to me.
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