How Do You Track Encore Breaks?

[dean]

I'm in the new track if it is long club. I can't stand a track with a ton of noise at the end. I wait, expecting something to happen, then wish I just skipped ahead.

JAson

That's 1/2 of my reasoning, as well.  It was reinforced by some band members who provided feedback that they didn't like the drawn out banter at the end of given tracks and would prefer a separate track or removal of banter altogether (which I won't commit to).

I also know most of the musicians I record, so I generally know well enough when they'd prefer I cut out certain stuff altogether, though (nervous banter, jokes that went nowhere, gratuitous tuning, etc.).

For us tapers it's about the whole show experience.  The musicians don't often see it that way.  As time goes by I'm more in tune with their likes/dislikes, and have grown more interested in individual songs vs. entire performances.  That, of course, means more time in post production than I'd like, but it is what it is, I guess.   

[greenone]

I usually track it where the song begins leaving all of the pre-encore tuning/banter/crowd at the end of the previous track.

This is what I do. Even if there is pre-song banter, I am really only concerned with the song.

Ditto. One song, one track. No one wants to listen to a track full of just crowd noise. I don't even include the pre-song banter/intro/drumstick count-off at the beginning of ANY of my tracks...the first note of the song is the first thing you hear.

[Gil]

I usually track it where the song begins leaving all of the pre-encore tuning/banter/crowd at the end of the previous track.

This is what I do. Even if there is pre-song banter, I am really only concerned with the song.

Ditto. One song, one track. No one wants to listen to a track full of just crowd noise. I don't even include the pre-song banter/intro/drumstick count-off at the beginning of ANY of my tracks...the first note of the song is the first thing you hear.

I'm a big proponent of beginning a track with the drum-stick countoff.

[lastubbe]

I'm definitely more of the document the evening, capture what was going on in that room that night, energy between the band and audience etc., so I think count offs, song intros, and keeping the encore break have value.

All about the live experience, as opposed to tracking it like I'm cutting an album.

Each show is unique (with most acts who permit taping), so I think it's important to document to entire experience.

[willndmb]

i put mine at the end of the last song no matter what
i actually hate the encore break as its own track

[dean]

I'm a big proponent of beginning a track with the drum-stick countoff.

Ditto

[rhinowing]

I'm a big proponent of beginning a track with the drum-stick countoff.

Ditto

thirded

[tay666]

I like to have a little intro banter before the song.

I grew up listening to live hard rock albums. So to me a little introduction is part of the live song.

[dorrcoq]

I usually break the encore break out as a separate track, including all banter up until the actual first song of the encore starts.  But that's just how I prefer to listen to things myself.

Ditto

[taperj]

I track it as a separate track. I also try to pay some attention to total time, for people who burn cd's sometimes having it tracked separately and being able to drop that track when burning can make the difference whether a show fits on 1 cd or 2. Albeit that doesn't happen too terribly often.

[page]

I'm a big proponent of beginning a track with the drum-stick countoff.

Ditto

thirded

i'll join the party.

[tay666]

I track it as a separate track. I also try to pay some attention to total time, for people who burn cd's sometimes having it tracked separately and being able to drop that track when burning can make the difference whether a show fits on 1 cd or 2. Albeit that doesn't happen too terribly often.

Good point.
If total time is that close, I would probably loose a bit of the encore break to keep from going to another disc.

[jibooer]

I never track encore breaks. If at the end of the show there is a long crowd space, I will fade out and chop, and then fade in with the beginning of the encore. If there are multiple encores, then I leave the crowd noise between tracks. Whilst I agree that it is important to let the show remain intact, I still feel that there isn't a real need to hear crowd noise for several minutes unless something special happens during that period that is relevant to the performance.

[fleish]

I'm a big proponent of beginning a track with the drum-stick countoff.

Ditto

thirded

i'll join the party.

yo

As for encore breaks, I generally don't separate it

[fandelive]

I don't cut the break as a separate track since a guy has distributed one of my tapes with that particular track removed by him.
The encore break included banter. It's part of the show and I don't think it has to be removed.

Most people will be too lazy to open the last track of the first set in an audio editor and cut the encore break by hand.