Topic: Who Went from a R-09HR to PCM-M10

[cgresq192]

Now that the PCM-M10 has been out for a while I'm curious how many went from a Edirol R-09HR to a Sony PCM-10

I tape mostly stealth and also wondering how people with experience using both have been working out.

Thanks for any info

[colargol]

I did, and I am very satisfied...
The most important factor for me, doing stealth, is that I can easily adjust gain manually, and without fiddling with the hold button. Of course, a lot of people with disagree that this is better, but for me, it is.
The overall feel of the M10 is a lot better, IMO, and of course, the battery time is awesome.

-c

[Belexes]

I did and would not switch back to the R-09HR. The M10 has great battery life and I like that you can fiddle with the gain without introducing any noise to the recording.

[fmaderjr]

The most important factor for me, doing stealth, is that I can easily adjust gain manually, and without fiddling with the hold button. Of course, a lot of people with disagree that this is better, but for me, it is.
The overall feel of the M10 is a lot better, IMO, and of course, the battery time is awesome.

Yes! I don't get all those that disagree with this. You'd have to stuff the M10 into very tight jeans for the gain setting wheel to move. For me too it is a definite advantage to be able to change gain without taking off the hold switch.

And as Belixes points out, it is nice that when you change gain you don't introduce noise into the recording. The noise introduced by the HR is horrible-you'd only want to change during applause, etc. where it could easily be edited out. I know people say never change the gain during a recording but I sometimes do it once (usually after the first song during the applause) if I notice my initial gain setting way way too low.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

IMHO, the gain knob is a disadvantage in every way...     Button-based gain changes allow you to change the gain without ever removing the unit from a pocket.  So you can change gain with security looking right at you.

[illconditioned]

I've never used the Edirol R09HR, just the plain R09.

However, I love the M10.  What I do is keep the unit in my shirt pocket, facing inward, towards me.  I can quickly look down at the LEDS on the top.  I'm looking for Green (signal), and just drop the volume if they go Red (overload).  If I'm sure of the levels, I just tape the wheel with a bit of gaffers tape.

If you're getting just one unit, I highly recommend the Sony.  It works great for both ambient and live music recording.  I usually just set the level to #4/10 or so, and the only control I adjust is the high/low sensitivity.  You'll discover pretty quickly what level works for your given mic setup.  And, as mentioned earlier, the battery life is outstanding.  I just leave the unit on always, and lock it when not in use.

  Richard

[Chris K]

IMHO, the gain knob is a disadvantage in every way...     Button-based gain changes allow you to change the gain without ever removing the unit from a pocket.  So you can change gain with security looking right at you.

A small piece of gaffers tape solves that problem.    edit...as I misread your post and thought it was concerned about accidentally turning the M10 gain knob.

Now to correctly respond...Why would you change the gain with the recorder in your pocket? How do you know the hold is off and if  your' adjustments' are having any effect on the r-09 while its in your pocket? Wouldn't you want to see the meters when you change the gain? And let's face it, you can easily turn a dial on the M10 while it is in your pocket. Not to call anyone out, but I guess I just don't see what the big deal is with changing gain while the recorder is in your pocket.....it can be done with buttons that you press, it can be done with a knob that you turn.

Having used both the R-09 and the M10 it is my opinoin that the M10 is superior in battery life, sound quality (on board mics), metering, and user friendliness.

[willndmb]

sounds like there will be a r09hr for sale soon

[Belexes]

^ For cheap! 

[stevetoney]

They're both good but the M10 is better.

[gmm6797]

moved to the m10 and never looked back, not even for a nano-second

[cgresq192]

OK

Ya'll convinced me

R09-HR in the yard sale

[illconditioned]

OK

Ya'll convinced me

R09-HR in the yard sale

I wouldn't be so fast to sell the Edirol.  You'll have trouble getting a good price for it (probably).  Just keep it as a backup, or to run at the soundboard if you get a feed.

  Richard

[rainydaybloke]

So can anyone recommend an online seller, pref with a good price? All the ones I've checked are out of stock. Is the next model (M11?) about to be released?

I need a replacement R-09 because of the dreaded bad input connection problem which forces me to use the onboard mics, and they ain't so great.
I'm also considering the Tascam DR-2D ... anyone used both Sony and Tascam?

[colargol]

So can anyone recommend an online seller, pref with a good price? All the ones I've checked are out of stock. Is the next model (M11?) about to be released?

I need a replacement R-09 because of the dreaded bad input connection problem which forces me to use the onboard mics, and they ain't so great.
I'm also considering the Tascam DR-2D ... anyone used both Sony and Tascam?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/638090-REG/Sony_PCM_M10_BLACK_PCM_M10_Portable_Audio_Recorder.html