Topic: R09 problems....

[F.O.Bean]

Hey man have you EVER had problems w/ that R09 Mine is doing some weird shit. I format the 4gb card and it shows I have 4hr 11mins to record on the card, so I start recording and come back an hr or 2 later and it is OFF. When I power it back up, it shows there is ZERO time left on the card, and still reads a FULL battery. So its shutting off on its own. And I just checked and it said there was 2.73 gb left on the card. So why is it shutting down when the batteries are full and there is still 2.73gb space left on the card

TIA,
Bean

P.S.-It has the latest firmware too....1.31

[tonebloke]

Is it set to 24/96 ?

[kinglerxst]

Is the card one you have used before or a new one? Do you have another card to try?

I had the exact symptoms you are saying when I first got my R-09 and did bench testing. It ended up being the cards that were at fault (even RMA'd for new ones and they ended up doing the same thing).

Once I switched to Sandisk cards I've had zero issues like that.

[F.O.Bean]

Is the card one you have used before or a new one? Do you have another card to try?

I had the exact symptoms you are saying when I first got my R-09 and did bench testing. It ended up being the cards that were at fault (even RMA'd for new ones and they ended up doing the same thing).

Once I switched to Sandisk cards I've had zero issues like that.

I think I had it on Auto Shutoff I will def report back

And FWIW, its the same card the previous owner used since it came w/ the R09. I do plan on getting 2x16gb cards, but for now, the 4gb will do for local shows

[F.O.Bean]

Now I got the shutoff thing fixed by turning off the auto shutdown, but NOW it recorded not even 2 hrs and said "SD Card Error" And it said the card was empty even tho it only recorded for 2 hrs and not the MAX 4 hrs

[kinglerxst]

>Now I got the shutoff thing fixed by turning off the auto shutdown

Just to clarify, if you are in 'record' or 'playback' mode, the "auto shutdown" does not operate even if it's set to ON. It will only shutdown if the unit is not recording or playing and no buttons are pressed in the amount of time that was set in the auto-shutoff settings. I keep mine set to OFF all the time, but if you were recording it wouldn't operate to shut the unit down.

Now if 'stop' was accidentally hit and the unit then sat for the allotted time, then the shutdown may happen, but after going into 'record' mode the HOLD button should be engaged anyways.

I don't think it would have anything to do with the batteries, but you could easily test it the same way with the power cord attached to verify that isn't the case.

>but NOW it recorded not even 2 hrs and said "SD Card Error"

This is "exactly" the issue I was having with the few new cards I had originally bought with the R-09, they would just randomly cause the deck to shutdown and I always got "SD Card Error". I even tried to think it was just a bad card and RMA'ed it for another of the same card, but even the replacement card did the same thing at random points when I set it to record and left it alone.

I then switched to the Sandisk, I'm upto like eight 4G SDHC cards and have recorded many many shows with them with zero issues at all. I'm not saying other cards don't work fine, but I know some do have issues with some recorders, so I have stuck with what has worked for me. The Sandisk 4G and even larger ones are not real expensive either, I've found the 4G cards for under $10.

If you have another card other than the one that's in the unit when it gives the error, I would definitely try a different card and see if it does the same thing.

[F.O.Bean]

>Now I got the shutoff thing fixed by turning off the auto shutdown

Just to clarify, if you are in 'record' or 'playback' mode, the "auto shutdown" does not operate even if it's set to ON. It will only shutdown if the unit is not recording or playing and no buttons are pressed in the amount of time that was set in the auto-shutoff settings. I keep mine set to OFF all the time, but if you were recording it wouldn't operate to shut the unit down.

Now if 'stop' was accidentally hit and the unit then sat for the allotted time, then the shutdown may happen, but after going into 'record' mode the HOLD button should be engaged anyways.

I don't think it would have anything to do with the batteries, but you could easily test it the same way with the power cord attached to verify that isn't the case.

>but NOW it recorded not even 2 hrs and said "SD Card Error"

This is "exactly" the issue I was having with the few new cards I had originally bought with the R-09, they would just randomly cause the deck to shutdown and I always got "SD Card Error". I even tried to think it was just a bad card and RMA'ed it for another of the same card, but even the replacement card did the same thing at random points when I set it to record and left it alone.

I then switched to the Sandisk, I'm upto like eight 4G SDHC cards and have recorded many many shows with them with zero issues at all. I'm not saying other cards don't work fine, but I know some do have issues with some recorders, so I have stuck with what has worked for me. The Sandisk 4G and even larger ones are not real expensive either, I've found the 4G cards for under $10.

If you have another card other than the one that's in the unit when it gives the error, I would definitely try a different card and see if it does the same thing.

Thanks ALOT King I just ordered an A-Data 16gb SDHC Card, so HOPEFULLY it plays nicely w/ the R09

[F.O.Bean]

Can the R09 be powered thru USB Because I just bought a USB 'stick' that takes 4xAA's, for my ipod, but if it powers the R09 as well, I'm set

[kinglerxst]

>Can the R09 be powered thru USB Because I just bought a USB 'stick' that takes 4xAA's, for my ipod,
>but if it powers the R09 as well, I'm set


I don't think the R-09 can be powered through the USB as the USB just allows the R-09 to connect to a PC, the USB connection is not used at all to charge or power the unit. Probably some other recorders could be run that way, especially if they have an internal "rechargeable" battery that is charged via the USB connection.

Plus, the USB port on the R-09 is inside the bottom door, so you'd have to leave that door open half way just to allow access and that wouldn't be too good for long periods of time.

I always run 2 AA energizer lithiums on my R-09 for each show and I could easily do 2 shows with them, around 8 hours at least. Once I run the pair for one show, they then become the "back-up" pair for the next show, then after that they go into a box to be used for other gadgets like TV/dvd/cd/cable remotes, etc. until they are fully used up.

I have used rechargeables long ago to run my M1 DAT, but unfortunately sooner or later rechargeables will bite the dust, and I already had one scare where one pair almost took a dive at a show and that was the last time I did that. For all that goes into capturing a show and the fact that you only get one chance, the cost of the lithiums isn't much when it gives piece of mind on that issue.

[ArchivalAudio]

Ben
you shoudda got an
M-10!
 

[F.O.Bean]

Ben
you shoudda got an
M-10!
 

I def will eventually. I really like the R09 tho, just need to get an sdhc card that it likes

[Myco]

The original R-09's had occasional problems with Transcend cards, although others swore they were fine in their decks. If you got a Transcend card Bean it was not what I used in that deck. I always used an 8gb Kingston or PNY card in that deck. I wasn't sure about the USB power, so I couldn't comment on that. With a good set of lithium batteries in there you should be fine for a night of recording. In an open taping situation there are choices for external power that could power that deck most of a weekend also. I have an external that work with that deck I believe, drop me a line if your interested. If you want to research your problem search the Recording Media sub-board here on TS, there is an extensive thread discussing this exact topic.

[kinglerxst]

>The original R-09's had occasional problems with Transcend cards

Bingo. Those are the ones I had many issues with and I did quite a bit of "in-home" test runs on them running full gear and all 4 of the cards I ended up trying were flakey. Then I switched to the Sandisk and have been using 8 of them over the past 3 years with absolutely zero issues. Not to say other cards don't work just fine, but I will always stick with Sandisk with the experience I've had with them.

Whatever card you go with, I always recommend some serious "in-house" testing, taking it through the same paces as a show, multiple times as well as letting the cards record all the way through multiple times. If I hadn't done that with the Transcend ones I would have lost at least a show, maybe more.

With the R-09, Sandisk cards & AA lithiums, I have been a very happy camper

[F.O.Bean]

>The original R-09's had occasional problems with Transcend cards

Bingo. Those are the ones I had many issues with and I did quite a bit of "in-home" test runs on them running full gear and all 4 of the cards I ended up trying were flakey. Then I switched to the Sandisk and have been using 8 of them over the past 3 years with absolutely zero issues. Not to say other cards don't work just fine, but I will always stick with Sandisk with the experience I've had with them.

Whatever card you go with, I always recommend some serious "in-house" testing, taking it through the same paces as a show, multiple times as well as letting the cards record all the way through multiple times. If I hadn't done that with the Transcend ones I would have lost at least a show, maybe more.

With the R-09, Sandisk cards & AA lithiums, I have been a very happy camper

I run battery runtimes for weeks at a time to cycle batts and get an idea of runtimes in the field

[kinglerxst]

>I run battery runtimes for weeks at a time to cycle batts and get an idea of runtimes in the field

Rechargeables?

I use to use rechargeables back in the DAT days, but eventually even those take a dive and usually when you don't want them to. I used them for a long time and the last time was at a show where even though they were fully charged and showed full when the show started, towards the end of the show the meter showed almost gone and was even blinking when the show ended, so I lucked out, most times before that they had at least half meter left after a show. After that, I only use a pair of new lithiums for each show. Not to say rechargeables won't last a long time, just that I don't want to have to worry when and at what show they will eventually decide to end their life

However, now that I am starting to run a 2nd rig (and have a back-up) I will be running that 2nd rig with rechargeables. I still have piece of mind though with the lithiums in the main rig

If you are running rechargeables, what kind are you running and how are the runtimes?