Topic: Confused: Beyerdynamic MC930 vs CK930

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"I think you can get the tinybox set up to provide capsule polarization and allow you to skip the mic bodies entirely".

What?? What is capsule polarization?
What mic bodies? You mean the CV 900 preamp that is at the end of the cable? Can you take those off? 

the mic bodies that I mentioned refer to the CV 900 pre-amp.  The tinybox (or the littlebox) can provide +48 polarization voltage to power the CK930 caps directly.  With that setup, you wouldn't need the CV900 mic bodies.

Jason beat me to it.

In my mind, the current choice is:

ck930 > cable > cv900 (sending polarization power) > cable > pmd-661 (sending phantom power)
or
ck930 > special/custom cable > tinybox (gain and/or polarization power) > cable > PCM-M10.

I don't see much reason, if you are stealthing and won't be doing long taping runs (like festivals), to get a tinybox that you would have to run the bodies in front of it (ck930 > cv900 > tinybox > recorder), but the tinybox that does polarization voltage has real benefits (again, IMHO based on if you're stealting and need small equipment). There are positives/negatives about both approaches, it's a matter of what you're trying to do with it.

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Quote:
"I think you can get the tinybox set up to provide capsule polarization and allow you to skip the mic bodies entirely".

What?? What is capsule polarization?
What mic bodies? You mean the CV 900 preamp that is at the end of the cable? Can you take those off? 

the mic bodies that I mentioned refer to the CV 900 pre-amp.  The tinybox (or the littlebox) can provide +48 polarization voltage to power the CK930 caps directly.  With that setup, you wouldn't need the CV900 mic bodies.

Jason beat me to it.

In my mind, the current choice is:

ck930 > cable > cv900 (sending polarization power) > cable > pmd-661 (sending phantom power)

You plug in the cv900 straight into the pmd-661 right, there is no cable inbetween.

or
ck930 > special/custom cable > tinybox (gain and/or polarization power) > cable > PCM-M10.

Question on this:
The CV900 ends with mini XLR that, in my mind, goes straight into the pmd661. I have not found any pictures of a CK930 without a cv900 (can you buy them like that?). So, if that is at all possible, you need to go from two mini xlr into to 1 cable and then into the tinybox, right? Then from the tinybox with a single cable to PCM-M10, that's clear.

Would be nice if someone could post some photos of what that looks like. Again, i have not seen it, and i don't feel very much on soldering things myself

I don't see much reason, if you are stealthing and won't be doing long taping runs (like festivals), to get a tinybox that you would have to run the bodies in front of it (ck930 > cv900 > tinybox > recorder), but the tinybox that does polarization voltage has real benefits (again, IMHO based on if you're stealting and need small equipment). There are positives/negatives about both approaches, it's a matter of what you're trying to do with it.

Difficult point here, 4 hours... i do Springsteenshows

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In my mind, the current choice is:

ck930 > cable > cv900 (sending polarization power) > cable > pmd-661 (sending phantom power)

You plug in the cv900 straight into the pmd-661 right, there is no cable inbetween.

or
ck930 > special/custom cable > tinybox (gain and/or polarization power) > cable > PCM-M10.

Question on this:
The CV900 ends with mini XLR that, in my mind, goes straight into the pmd661. I have not found any pictures of a CK930 without a cv900 (can you buy them like that?).

There is debate about that. A couple of things on that, we've never seen them sold without being in sets (either 930s or 950s) and when I tried to buy my 950s this fall, I had my retailer specifically call the US distributor who said "no, sets only." That said, a quick check this evening shows that FrontEndAudio appears to be willing to sell just the 930 cap separately at a measly $40 off (per cap) what the full body/cable/mount/cap set price is which isn't worth messing with. In Europe you might be able to call beyerdynamic and ask if there is a distributor who will sell the caps separately and try and get a better deal, but similar to the neumann km100 pricing; the vast majority of that price tag for the set is tied up in the cap.

The cv900 bodies have a 5pin mini-xlr on one end (to the caps) and a standard 3pin xlr on the other to the recorder/preamp.

So, if that is at all possible, you need to go from two mini xlr into to 1 cable and then into the tinybox, right?

Would be nice if someone could post some photos of what that looks like. Again, i have not seen it, and i don't feel very much on soldering things myself

That custom cable from the caps (4pin, not 5 for whatever reason) to the tinybox (6pin shared across 2 mics) would have to be made either by Jon when you buy the tinybox or by a cable maker specifically (Ted might do one, Rob did mine when I had him make my beyer cables). I wouldn't undertake it myself, but I don't do a lot of solder work. Not impossible, just something else to coordinate and tack on for cost.

Difficult point here, 4 hours... i do Springsteenshows

Ask Jon about his runtimes (either internal li-po or 9v). To me there are only 2 run times I keep in mind; 6hrs, and 20hrs. Everything I tape falls into one of those two categories. It either has to run for a standard evening show, or all day at a festival.

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Three recent threads on the same topic:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=130031.msg1804590#msg1804590
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=115606.msg1805295#msg1805295
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=142109.msg1833548#msg1833548

So far, the price quotes other users got on individual caps are disappointing, just a few bucks less than the entire CK930 kit.
I've been in touch with a rep at Beyerdynamic Germany, who actually has an interesting opening:

You write, you ask for a whole user community: we will not make the single CK 930 a regular product, but what about an OEM Version for your needs?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards,

Klaus Kirchhöfer
Product specialist wired microphones ProAudio
beyerdynamic GmbH & Co. KG

You could interpret this as a possibility for a group buy?! I might call him to discuss this further if there's interest...

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You could interpret this as a possibility for a group buy?! I might call him to discuss this further if there's interest...

I guess if your group is about 50-100 units big it might swing, but I don't think they would do it for 10-20 units. 

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What is a OEM version? One time only?

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What is a OEM version? One time only?

for example, if you ran a large business and were going to use (not resell, but use) like 100 of them in your org. They would do a special order with less limitations than normal sales. What that threshold is in quantity, I don't know, but I suspect it's rather high.