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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #195 on: March 23, 2013, 10:58:25 AM »
Hi
sorry I have all the levels in my head ( 67, 95 ... ) but there's one level that I don't know and I'm not sure i'll be able to find it here : I d'like to record iem on the mic in ( because I use the line in for my microphone and it works perfectly I prefer not to change this  ) , is there a maximum and/or a minimum mic in level to set to record a source like iem by mic in please ?

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #196 on: March 24, 2013, 02:10:26 PM »
Looks like a nice gear! But I'm a bit confused... sorry for not reading this huuge thread! :(

I searched at LMA and found some recordings used Dr-2d for sbd+external mics. Is it working well?
Is it possible to record 4 channel with 2 pair of external mics?
(Tascam overview ensures only that it can be used for internal mics+sbd?)

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #197 on: March 24, 2013, 02:16:55 PM »
Looks like a nice gear! But I'm a bit confused... sorry for not reading this huuge thread! :(

I searched at LMA and found some recordings used Dr-2d for sbd+external mics. Is it working well?
Is it possible to record 4 channel with 2 pair of external mics?
(Tascam overview ensures only that it can be used for internal mics+sbd?)

Thanks!

You can record with two pairs of external mics, one using Mic in, the other using linein. You can record them as separate tracks or mix them on the go with the recorder. I have only ever recorded separate files and mixed them later on the computer.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #198 on: March 24, 2013, 03:11:47 PM »

You can record with two pairs of external mics, one using Mic in, the other using linein. You can record them as separate tracks or mix them on the go with the recorder. I have only ever recorded separate files and mixed them later on the computer.

In that case looks really useful and its price is also ok! :)
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2013, 11:10:33 AM »
..is there a maximum and/or a minimum mic in level [snip]?

minimum safe mic-in level before overload = ~65-67
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #200 on: March 26, 2013, 03:18:04 PM »
Went through the most of the 2 topics, was thinking about it and finally ordered! Thanks guyz, its your responsibility! :D

I will check the card compatibility for sure based on I read were some issue. Is it right that who had error issue during rec, couldnt make full format? So may trying a full format and if its done, couldn't be problem later on(?)
I always could handle sbd signal with Edirol easily, we'll see with this one.

Seems like rec time gonna be ok, usually 4-5 hrs max what I need in one night (Edirol R-09HR could make it) so if this gear can make it in dual/line mode, its enough to me.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #201 on: April 11, 2013, 08:22:03 AM »
Sorry if this has been covered, but has anyone run two DR2d's for an 8 track recording? Just wondering how bad the drift would be.

Also, could I use a mic preamp with phantom power and plug into the mic in jack on the DR2d? The preamp has a 3.5mm output.

Thanks.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #202 on: April 11, 2013, 09:33:39 AM »
Yes, you can run an external preamp into the mic-input.  Turn off the PIP. 

Degree of drift depends on the varience between the clocks of the two particular recorders. I've thought about doing this with mine but have not done so yet, so I can't say how close my two particular DR2ds are, but it seemed to work well for techgui recently.  Use the remote to control the transport functions of both recorders simultaneously as noted below.

If it turns out the drift between the two requires correction, I've thought about making a 'Y' cable that feeds one external preamp channel to both recorders.  That way there would be one duplicate channel across both file sets, which would make sync/stretching one set to match the other much easier when necessary and still allow for 7 independent channels.

I'm going to use (2) Dr2d's tonight to record a musical.  One will be recording the sound board into the mic input with attenuator cable.  The second Tascam will be attached to the camcorder with external mics for room ambiance.  Should be good.

Suggestion- Set them both up and put them both in rec/pause.  Then just before the start, place the moble, camcorder attached one next to the SBD one and use the IR remote to start both simultaneously with one button press.  The starting points of both files will then be very close if not perfectly sync'd.

That synced great!  Thanks. 

I used a 20db attenuator between the the Mackie board and the Dr2d's mic input and set the record input level at 75 and I was good to go.  Also used Dual record mode setting the second track 6db lower just in case.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #203 on: April 11, 2013, 01:19:07 PM »
Yes, you can run an external preamp into the mic-input.  Turn off the PIP. 

Degree of drift depends on the varience between the clocks of the two particular recorders. I've thought about doing this with mine but have not done so yet, so I can't say how close my two particular DR2ds are, but it seemed to work well for techgui recently.  Use the remote to control the transport functions of both recorders simultaneously as noted below.

If it turns out the drift between the two requires correction, I've thought about making a 'Y' cable that feeds one external preamp channel to both recorders.  That way there would be one duplicate channel across both file sets, which would make sync/stretching one set to match the other much easier when necessary and still allow for 7 independent channels.

I'm going to use (2) Dr2d's tonight to record a musical.  One will be recording the sound board into the mic input with attenuator cable.  The second Tascam will be attached to the camcorder with external mics for room ambiance.  Should be good.

Suggestion- Set them both up and put them both in rec/pause.  Then just before the start, place the moble, camcorder attached one next to the SBD one and use the IR remote to start both simultaneously with one button press.  The starting points of both files will then be very close if not perfectly sync'd.

That synced great!  Thanks. 

I used a 20db attenuator between the the Mackie board and the Dr2d's mic input and set the record input level at 75 and I was good to go.  Also used Dual record mode setting the second track 6db lower just in case.

Thanks for that info. And the suggestion of using one channel to go to both recorders will be something I'll try once I get my second DR2d.

I'll be recording a 4-piece band with a drum set, so I actually had thought of putting the overheads on a different DR2d than the kick and snare (since there'd be bleed anyway) for lining up the tracks.

I wish I'd given this some thought when the DR2d's were going out the door for $100.00....

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #204 on: April 11, 2013, 05:21:33 PM »
Sorry if this has been covered, but has anyone run two DR2d's for an 8 track recording? Just wondering how bad the drift would be.

Also, could I use a mic preamp with phantom power and plug into the mic in jack on the DR2d? The preamp has a 3.5mm output.

Thanks.

^ Haven't tried this or seen it from anyone else.  I have done a couple SBD + AUD matrices with the DR-2d where I also ran omnis onstage or another rig, I could try to sync them up.  There's no reason what you are suggesting would not work, but most people buy a DR-2d because they don't want to bother with syncing in post.  To answer the question the internal clocks would be different like any recorder, it's just a matter of how skilled you are at doing the sync in post. 

The preamp should work into the mic in but the mic in probably can't handle gain so just don't add any.  It's odd because on mine a battery box results in low volume if I don't use phantom power even with the volume at 67, but If I even add 10db of gain it will peak.  Maybe I should use mic in with phantom and leave it at 65?

I'm curious - does anyone have a link to a recording of SBD + omnis onstage done with the DR-2d?
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #205 on: April 11, 2013, 06:14:22 PM »
^ Here is one of my better pulls, although not done with omnis:
http://archive.org/details/KungFu2013-02-02.akg.sbd.mix

I have made many six track recordings with two Dr-2ds, with varying success at synching them in post. In my limited experience I don't think there is very much drift between the two recorders.
Now that I just got a DR-680 things will be a lot easier.

Edit to add: here are two six channel recording done on two DR-2ds:  http://archive.org/details/flabberghaster2012-04-14.mix , http://archive.org/details/flabberghaster2013-01-11.mix
(ps. the Kung Fu set was mixed from two different DR-2ds.)

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #206 on: April 11, 2013, 06:31:03 PM »
It's odd because on mine a battery box results in low volume if I don't use phantom power even with the volume at 67, but If I even add 10db of gain it will peak.  Maybe I should use mic in with phantom and leave it at 65?

Thanks also for that info.

I was wondering if in your reference to "phantom power" with your battery box, do you mean the "plug-in power" on the DR2d?

The preamp I would be using delivers 48v phantom power to a pair of condenser mics.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #207 on: April 11, 2013, 06:58:47 PM »
^ Yes, Plug In Power / PIP is correct, I was wrong above.  I haven't used it with mic in yet but might next time I run the BB just to see the difference.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #208 on: April 12, 2013, 09:32:00 AM »
^ Here is one of my better pulls, although not done with omnis:
http://archive.org/details/KungFu2013-02-02.akg.sbd.mix

I have made many six track recordings with two Dr-2ds, with varying success at synching them in post. In my limited experience I don't think there is very much drift between the two recorders.
Now that I just got a DR-680 things will be a lot easier.

Edit to add: here are two six channel recording done on two DR-2ds:  http://archive.org/details/flabberghaster2012-04-14.mix , http://archive.org/details/flabberghaster2013-01-11.mix
(ps. the Kung Fu set was mixed from two different DR-2ds.)

Thanks danny, I'll give those a listen.  I would also be using two machines in order to get five or six channels.  With your particular DR2ds, did you just need to align the resulting files which took care of the entire set, or did you find you needed do more such as re-aligning each tracked song or time-stretching one file set slightly to match the other?  It is nice having all six channels perfectly aligned and sync'd using the DR680, I think you'll really dig it.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #209 on: April 13, 2013, 01:44:11 PM »
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=161804.0 < No affil, but if anyone is looking for one check this out.
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