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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #240 on: July 01, 2013, 07:39:38 PM »
or maybe it would be better to plug the AT853 with CA9200 preamp into LINE-IN so that I can change levels from the CA9200 and then connect the B3s to the MIC-IN and change the levels from DR2D mic-in preamp?

^^ Try it this way 1st.

Line-in set to 100.
Mic-in set to LOW and no lower than 67, higher is OK if needed.
PIP off.
Auto level control and limiter off.

(Edit- limiter can be used if you like, but most prefer setting levels conservatively enough to not need it)
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #241 on: July 02, 2013, 02:10:14 AM »
or maybe it would be better to plug the AT853 with CA9200 preamp into LINE-IN so that I can change levels from the CA9200 and then connect the B3s to the MIC-IN and change the levels from DR2D mic-in preamp?

^^ Try it this way 1st.

Line-in set to 100.
Mic-in set to LOW and no lower than 67, higher is OK if needed.
PIP off.
Auto level control and limiter off.

(Edit- limiter can be used if you like, but most prefer setting levels conservatively enough to not need it)

Also, I would use 9200 into LINE IN, since youre getting gain from the 9200. And run the BB into MIC IN, so you can get additional gain from the DR2Ds MIC PREAMP ;)
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #242 on: July 02, 2013, 02:39:19 AM »
or maybe it would be better to plug the AT853 with CA9200 preamp into LINE-IN so that I can change levels from the CA9200 and then connect the B3s to the MIC-IN and change the levels from DR2D mic-in preamp?

^^ Try it this way 1st.

Line-in set to 100.
Mic-in set to LOW and no lower than 67, higher is OK if needed.
PIP off.
Auto level control and limiter off.

(Edit- limiter can be used if you like, but most prefer setting levels conservatively enough to not need it)

Also, I would use 9200 into LINE IN, since youre getting gain from the 9200. And run the BB into MIC IN, so you can get additional gain from the DR2Ds MIC PREAMP ;)

Um yeah, do it like Bean suggests, heh.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #243 on: July 02, 2013, 04:12:40 AM »
or maybe it would be better to plug the AT853 with CA9200 preamp into LINE-IN so that I can change levels from the CA9200 and then connect the B3s to the MIC-IN and change the levels from DR2D mic-in preamp?

^^ Try it this way 1st.

Line-in set to 100.
Mic-in set to LOW and no lower than 67, higher is OK if needed.
PIP off.
Auto level control and limiter off.

(Edit- limiter can be used if you like, but most prefer setting levels conservatively enough to not need it)

Also, I would use 9200 into LINE IN, since youre getting gain from the 9200. And run the BB into MIC IN, so you can get additional gain from the DR2Ds MIC PREAMP ;)

Um yeah, do it like Bean suggests, heh.

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #244 on: July 02, 2013, 01:28:05 PM »
thanks guys, will try that way  ;)
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #245 on: July 08, 2013, 04:08:53 AM »
I also realized that DR-2d has a much quieter recording result than my Edirol R-09HR. But I did not set it to MID gain, because I recorded from Sbd too and it would be too much in that case.

Oh, one QUESTION:
I was at an acoustic show (what is very rare - turned out very cool) and it was quite quiet, I used CA-9200 preamp to add +20-30 gain. (Didnt want to stop and set DR-2d during the show) Would you do it, or either set DR-2d to MID sensitivity? Any difference, advantage, disadvantage?

MLKLuke:
I think the most important to check if you use line in, shouldn't peak. In that case you dont need a preamp to change leve input. But it could be really quieter than using mic in, so the CA preamp with plus gain can be useful.
Also check mic in. If with 67 level does not peak, you're good.
I have only one preamp by now, so I try to test at the soundcheck if which one (mic or ine in) does need to lower than 67/97 or need much higher than with 100 set at Tascam.

I must say, I couldn't really make similar vol levels with both channels, so I edited them post for mixing 2 channels.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #246 on: July 11, 2013, 10:58:51 PM »
i have an r09hr and dr07 and dr2d all of which i've used with great results...i've never tried the dual mode on the dr2d and am intrigued so am gonna try it this weekend at a loud club show (local band so not concerned if it's a disaster).  here's what i'm thinking of doing:

rec 1:  mic (low) in level 67  sp-cmc-8 (4.7k) w/ at853 adaptor and at853 subcards > SP bbox 69khz rolloff < dr2d
rec 2:  line in level 97  sp-cmc-4u (4.7k) cards > SP bbox 69khz rolloff < dr2d

Auto level control and limiter off.  If anyone has any additional dual rec advice thx in advance.


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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #247 on: July 12, 2013, 12:37:28 AM »
stay away from using an HPF AT the show. Do it in post if it needs done ;)
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #248 on: July 12, 2013, 07:12:28 PM »
stay away from using an HPF AT the show. Do it in post if it needs done ;)

thx...i'll doublecheck to make sure all that stuff is OFF.  i have one final question:  what do i set the level at (the range is -6db to -12db).

[edit] ok i figured it out, didn't have it set to line.  moot question.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #249 on: July 14, 2013, 04:46:03 PM »
last night was a great success.  I set the levels as noted in my previous thread...the peaks were about -18/-20 db, but i'd rather be cautious on that side than have clipping.  thanks to everyone who's posted in the dr2d threads, the info is all really helpful.

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #250 on: July 16, 2013, 01:08:12 AM »
last night was a great success.  I set the levels as noted in my previous thread...the peaks were about -18/-20 db, but i'd rather be cautious on that side than have clipping.  thanks to everyone who's posted in the dr2d threads, the info is all really helpful.

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #251 on: August 12, 2013, 01:07:46 PM »
47 pages in two days.....that was like a marathon of reading. Thanks to all who did all of the leg work I figuring out how to best use this deck. I wish that I would have read it before I brick walked an awesome set by a newer band last week. I feel that I am equipped with the knowledge, after reading all of this to get a good pull on Wednesday from TTB/Black Crowes. This is my plan for that show. My seat is 22 rows back, almost dead center.

Bsc-1's (cards or omnis?)-->edirol (busmann mod)-->dr-2d line in set @100,low gain
AT853's cards-->CA9100 (set at unity)-->dr-2d mic in @67

Does anybody see anything wrong with those settings? Also, what suggestions for the caps on the bsc1's?

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #252 on: August 12, 2013, 01:20:06 PM »
47 pages in two days.....that was like a marathon of reading. Thanks to all who did all of the leg work I figuring out how to best use this deck. I wish that I would have read it before I brick walked an awesome set by a newer band last week. I feel that I am equipped with the knowledge, after reading all of this to get a good pull on Wednesday from TTB/Black Crowes. This is my plan for that show. My seat is 22 rows back, almost dead center.

Bsc-1's (cards or omnis?)-->edirol (busmann mod)-->dr-2d line in set @100,low gain
AT853's cards-->CA9100 (set at unity)-->dr-2d mic in @67

Does anybody see anything wrong with those settings? Also, what suggestions for the caps on the bsc1's?

I think that looks fine to me. I run bcs1 > TInybox > dr-2d with line in set at 95, and low gain on the recorder. The tinybox is set on LOW which I think adds 4 db gain. Depending how you set the edirol you should be fine. I  would use the cardioid caps because I love the sound of them. From your location you should get a very nice pull

Not famiiar with the AT, but setting the dr-2d at 65 or higher on the mic in is the right thing to do.

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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #253 on: August 12, 2013, 01:51:13 PM »
Determining which pickup patterns to use depends on the specifics of the venue and also what you want to achieve by running more than one pair of mics.  You may wish to simply compare between two different pairs of cardioids to hear the differences and choose the better sounding one.  That's one of the most useful ways of using four channels.  However, if your aim is to play around with mixing the two pairs together, you'd be better served running one pair as omnis and the other as cardioids, unless the two pairs of cardioids are pointed in significantly different directions, spaced significantly differently, placed in different locations or all of the above.  There are far fewer advantages and more potential problems when mixing together two stereo pairs of similar pickup patterns arranged similarly and placed in close proximity to each other.
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Re: Tascam DR2d - part 2
« Reply #254 on: August 12, 2013, 02:38:21 PM »
That is something that I was thinking about for running both cards for this show. This is early in the game for me and I would love to see the difference in the mics. I won't have the luxury of having significantly different locations for the pull.

One question about my second setting. I have run the at-->ca9100-->mic in on the dr-2d at home for practice. I only see the left channel on the recorder display. I have a feeling that I have a bad cable, but I thought that I should maybe ask. Should I be seeing a left and a right in that setup?
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