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I'm not familiar with Audition, sorry.  But I assume it runs common plug ins.

Don't get fixated on "noise reduction".  As you said earlier, it can introduce nasty artifacts and ruin the recording.  Better to have a little background noise.  I only used it to illustrate what could be done to your sample, but in practice I'd probably have EQ'd the bottom end.  If you look at the spectral analysis of a "silent" part, the bottom end looks like a "shelf" with very few peaks.  For example, in Sony Paragraphic Eq you can create a Low Shelf, select a frequency range and how much gain or attenuation you want; this would reduce the level of just that annoying part of the sound.    It's not quite as simple as this, but less is best as it causes less harm.  It is difficult to offer a precise answer as you need to familiarise yourself with the necessary plug-ins and adjust it so it suits YOU, on your playback system.   As ever, always create a back up file of the original.   

If you google DX or VST plug-ins, you will find a raft of freebies.  Run the files and the next time Audition loads, it should recognise them and make them available to you.     

 

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Well, since my apartment complex's wifi lounge has banned rapidshare as a P2P site  ::) I'm going to comment on my experience with broadband background noise/hiss and hope that it applies somewhat to your problem.

First, you say that you didn't use a preamp so I'm assuming that you used the internal mics on the M10.  They're not bad but they may not be the cleanest sounding when the noise floor is raised.  You said you normalized.  (God I hate normalization.)  and that you hit it pretty hard... 20dB   :o
I haven't done any M10 testing or read any specs so this is just speculation, but if the mics have a fair amount of self noise and you raise it too much (20 dB is well...) and then listen to the product, what you are likely hearing isn't room related hiss but a function of your post process.  Just because one records at 24bits it doesn't mean that it's possible to blow those suckers up without consequences.  I fear you've exceeded the ability of even 24bit density and 48hz sampling rate to save a recording originally laid down at too low a level.  JC could do wonders with a few loaves of bread and a couple fish... I fear you may have needed a lot more fish to start with before you even got started.

On the other hand...

Most rooms that have air conditioning will have an ambient hiss associated with the air moving through the ducts and exiting the vents.  Some are designed to be pretty quiet, some not.  If you find that your location was near such a vent you might be able to find a place on the recording where the room chatter is nill and all you hear is the "air".  Some PA systems may also have a resident sssssssisssss to them when not getting a full signal so that is also perceived as hiss.  Again the a fore mentioned plug ins that have been mentioned will serve to mitigate that, but as you found out, trying to remove it completely has serious consequences.  Sample that noise and start to gently experiment with the noise reduction tools available.  When I've had to do this, I've applied it to minimize not eliminate the noise and have done so only on the quieter passages where louder sounds can't mask the  noise to start with.  I've used Audition's Noise reduction, Hiss reduction (two different tools) and iZatope RX and find that RX is the best for my needs.  Lots of RX vids on You Tube that, even if you don't use it, you should find instructional.

Last thing... and this happened to me last week.   ::)  If you are running the internal mics on the M10, where was the mic sensitivity switch set?  That could make a difference as well.

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Ben,

Thanks for the lengthy reply.  Just to clarify, I was definitely not using the internal mics on the Sony.  I was using AT943s built by Sound Professionals (SP-CMC-8 cards), along with the Sound Professionals 12V battery box plugged into the Line in on the Sony.  The mics were built with the SP "low sensitivity" mod because I typically record VERY loud concerts. 

What happened here is that I was expecting to get a loud rock set from this band, and they did a mostly jazz set instead.  As a result, I had the Sony's input level set much too low.  I'm used to recording metal shows where I just set the Sony at about "5" on the input knob and forget about it.  If I have to normalize a metal show by 10db-20db it's never a big deal. 

I'm sure the normalization process (which may have been closer to 30db) is not helping here, but without normalization, the music would be inaudible. 

I really don't think the noise is normal, or had anything to do with the room.  The room was in the middle of a casino, but designed specifically for music and typically has very good acoustics.  The ceiling is VERY high, if that matters.  The two PA monitors hang about 20' about the stage. 

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OK, so with the exception of not having a pre in the chain you're running my rig.  Works well.  Sounds like you just ran out of usable bits to stretch while normallizing.  Can't make bits where there aren't any to start with, sad to say.  This is how we learn... or at least how I've learned! 
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In the past, I had a fair bit of success using the Noise Removal tool in Audacity.  I know everyone is giving you good advice, but if you can't follow it, you might give the Noise Removal tool a try to see if you like the results.  I've used it in the exact situation you describe and been satisfied with the results.  The key is to have a sample of noise that is nothing but noise.  The sample you provided has other sounds in it (house music) and really can't be used well to create a noise profile.  I know everyone has been telling you to use EQ and compression and whatnot.  That will work if you have the time and patience.  If you don't, you might want to try something else.  Good luck and YMMV and all that.
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Just wanted to post a follow-up to my own thread.  I tried some of the suggestions you've all made - at least the ones I could understand and figure out how to apply in Adobe Audition.  After messing with AA's features and coming up with absolutely nothing in the least bit satisfying, I decided to try different software.  I just got iZotope RX 2, and I think I've found my solution! 

Simply put, the "Denoise" feature in RX is astounding.  Keep in mind that I'm familiar only with the Noise/Hiss Reduction in AA, and to a lesser extent in SoundForge (and that was years ago), so that's my basis for comparison.  Believe me, there is absolutely no comparison between RX and the other two programs.  Even using the stock settings, applying 10db of Dehiss in RX left almost no noticeable artifacts.  If I tried that in AA, the result would be un-listenable. 

What I've decided to do with my recording is use about 3.0 db of RX's Dehiss over the entire recording.  Then I'll go back and add another 10.0-12.0 db of Dehiss to the soft passages (mostly the between song comment).  I'm going to use the highest quality settings available in RX.  For those familiar with RX, that means "Smoothing" set at 10.0 and using Algorithm D.  At those settings, processing takes a long time (almost real-time on my system), but I'm hoping the result is worth it. 

I'll report back on how it comes out if anyone is interested. 

 

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