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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 10:15:07 PM »
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 11:39:06 PM »
Wish I had some ck63s.  I know you say you are leaving the omnis at home but would like to hear the ck62 mixed with some ck63 or ck61 (or simiular).
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2013, 12:13:58 AM »
Wish I had some ck63s.  I know you say you are leaving the omnis at home but would like to hear the ck62 mixed with some ck63 or ck61 (or simiular).

I ran ck62 Omnis in a J-Disc back in 2005 and I must admit, I DID NOT like the sound of the ck62 omnis :P YMMV ;) And this was outdoors at Moedown :)
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2013, 10:11:55 PM »
If the two pairs are in close proximity and pointed more or less in the same direction, meaning both pointing more or less stageward verses one pair pointing backwards, then do it for comparison or either/or purposes instead of mixing them.  If you want to mix them, either point them in very different directions or space them apart from each other by far more than you can typically do using a single stand.  Mixing an omni pair and a hyper pair can work great, but you'd ideally want to space the omnis twice as far as you normally would and use a narrower than normal configuration with the hypers.  Neither pair would then be optimal alone, but that arrangement would optimize the combination of the two.
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2013, 02:31:22 PM »
Thanks for all your suggestions...so much to consider, but what I have taken from them all is that, and as usual, trial and error and your ears are the only way to know what you like. After all these years, you would think that I would have used hypers before! It all turned out better than I expected, with me discovering a different set of nuances and directionality that the hypers provide.

Saying that, the venue situation was completely different than I anticipated. For one, the show was sold out to the point they were turning people away. 'Twas a sweaty mess by the end. There were no tables, so I was forced to set up toward the side. In addition, the basses were run thru subs that are built-in to the bottom of the stage, and the vocals and some stage mics were thru the PA's, so on-stage/stage lip would have been a mess.  I ran the hypers DINa, and turned the mics more or less at the PAs and raised them so they would be slighlty lower than the PAs. In my reasoning, the venue was small and loud enough, that I would still get some stage sound in the mix. After a few minutes I realized that a 4-channel mix would never cut it, and if I ran omnis I would have more spilly-talking howling butt-nuts than music.

So I ran 4-channels in then end and basically did a comparison between the CK1x's and the ck63's. I found that there was a wider image with the CK1x's NOS and the mids were a bit richer, but I ran into some issues with the snare drum for the opening act, and ended up getting some phasing/reflection(?) where it sound like an echo. The hypers held their own, and I have a pretty tight stereo image, with the chatty crowd noise tamed back, and clear PA presence. Not too frickin' bad IMO for a bar gig.

Anyway, in the end, and after a bit of post-processing, my ears are happy. I am sure the bands are going to be satisfied as well. The hypers did their job, and I look foreward to doing some more experimenting.

As far the 4-channel mixing, most of you have mentioned the necessity of mixing up locations, spacing and polar patterns, and I can't agree more. I often use a quasi-Faulkner array for jazz gigs with an omni split with fantastic results. I am sure the hypers in the mix will be nice and tasty as well.

Should be a kickown for one of the sets soon...

BTW, I wanted to share something with you that you may find funny- just before Elephant Stone started the set he was tuning his sitar and I heard this atypical, non-jamband, local yokel, french Quebecois quote of the evening -  "c'est une banjo ca?".  Give me strength...a banjo? Yah, he's playing a banjo buddy...LOL ;D
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2013, 07:39:48 PM »
How long have you owned hypers and not used them ??? IMO, they'll grow to be your most used caps ;)
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2013, 10:38:11 PM »
I got that feeling Bean...never really thought I would need them until I started doing the 4-channel thing. I got the caps Friday and used them that night for the first time.
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 10:43:55 PM »
I got that feeling Bean...never really thought I would need them until I started doing the 4-channel thing. I got the caps Friday and used them that night for the first time.

Sweet, congrats buddy! I always LOVED my old ck63 caps ;) I used them A LOT!!!
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Re: hyper advice
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2013, 08:31:07 PM »
Mics: AKG c460b (ck61, ck62, ck63, ck1x, ck3x), NBob Actives, Naiant Actives, ADK A-51TL
Pres: Lunatec V2, Sound Devices MP-2
Cables: GAKables exclusively, AKG MK46, Naiant PFA's
Recorders: Edirol R-09HR, Edirol R-44
CPU for DSP: Toshiba Satellite A660 i7 > audioengineD1
Cans: ATH-50
VINYL: Rega Planar 3 > Rega Brio-R > Wharfedale EVO2-30

 

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