Topic: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)

[F.O.Bean]

What about the `24-bit` capabilities of the M10?

What do you mean? what do you want/need to know?

[udovdh]

What about the `24-bit` capabilities of the M10?

What do you mean? what do you want/need to know?

How useful it is to record in 24-bit on this particular deck?
I do 24-bit all the time but the recent quotes of SNR etc make me doubt a bit.

[vanark]

not writing the r09 off yet

im doing a bunch of mic in and line in tests with the m10 vs R09 now

as far as sound goes, they are identical to my ears

as far as input noise they are very similar. i see noise as high as -50 to -60 dB at the highest gain ranges

at comparable input levels, RMS noise level measured with 'statistics' using soundforge
mic in:
both R09 and M10:~ -79db

line in:
R09: -93.4dB
M10: -87.5dB

6dB is a fair amount if youre running levels low and normalizing....

How low are you expecting to run your levels?  I try not to run them any lower than -12dB and generally closer to -6dB.

[kleiner Rainer]

jerryfreak,

how do your noise measurements correlate with those:

http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm ?

They have it the other way round.

I mean, measuring such low levels with useful precision is not an easy task: as a design engineer, I know the pitfalls. And I consider soundforge not a precision measuring instrument. BTW did you terminate the mic input with the typical mic source impedance (150 Ohm low-noise metal film resistors)?

Greetings,

Rainer

[jerryfreak]

no, mine was a hacky unscientific test the output was my benchmark dac which should be fairly low noise.

my r09 sold on ebay so its a moot point now

::plants feet firmly on dark side::

[F.O.Bean]

You'll LOVE your new M10 bro I'm buying a third one around Thanksgiving just for SBD patches. Now I just need like 20' XLR>1/8" Mini cable

[schoepsnbox]

Here is a pic of a mod I did to a friends M10 per his request. Hardwired XLR stubbies.  Figured I would share it here!

[F.O.Bean]

Pretty cool, Nick!!! I wouldn't do that but it's cool nonetheless when I had my old lemosax I ran XLR>1/8" mini cable from darktrain

[adrianf74]

If you're like me and find the line in jack to be loose, this is a great idea.

[F.O.Bean]

If you're like me and find the line in jack to be loose, this is a great idea.

Yea, the Sax's line out is DEF loose Best way to go is XLR>1/8" Mini

[rigpimp]

I don't know what happened the other night.  I was plugged out of a SBD and set my M10 to 24/96 and hit record.  The red record light was on and the levels were going but the counter was --:-- and not moving at all.  I just let it fly.  The 2nd set came and it started that way again so I stopped the recording and dropped it down to 24/48 and hit record and the same thing happened. 

It turns out in the end that the whole first set was static and the second set recorded fine.  I'm not too worried as I was patched out of a buddy who does SBDs only and his recording was clean.  I also had two pairs of mics on stage, but still...

[F.O.Bean]

I don't know what happened the other night.  I was plugged out of a SBD and set my M10 to 24/96 and hit record.  The red record light was on and the levels were going but the counter was --:-- and not moving at all.  I just let it fly.  The 2nd set came and it started that way again so I stopped the recording and dropped it down to 24/48 and hit record and the same thing happened. 

It turns out in the end that the whole first set was static and the second set recorded fine.  I'm not too worried as I was patched out of a buddy who does SBDs only and his recording was clean.  I also had two pairs of mics on stage, but still...

Thats weird as hell Are you absolutely 100% sure you hit Record, THEN Pause, to start the recording? I guess you wouldve HAD TO if you got a recording at all, even static Maybe chalk that one up to ghosts What cables were used to patch out of the SBD? RCA>1/8" or XLR>1/8"

I plan on getting Darktrain to make me a killer set of 25' XLR>1/8" so I can patch most SBDs And I always have my short set of RCA>1/8" Cable with me just in case Im patching from a smaller, shittier SBD!!!

[rigpimp]

What cables were used to patch out of the SBD? RCA>1/8" or XLR>1/8"

I am positive the pause button was OFF because I ended up with a recording of static.  I think that the 64GB card that I use couldn't handle the 96k part of what I was trying for the first time.  (I normally go 24/48)

I was using XLR outs from the master off the SBD.  My buddy Tom put his attenuators inline and plugged them right into his Zoom.  I took a 1/8" to 1/8" off his Zoom.  His recording is fine of the first set is fine and mine is hosed. 

[F.O.Bean]

What cables were used to patch out of the SBD? RCA>1/8" or XLR>1/8"

I am positive the pause button was OFF because I ended up with a recording of static.  I think that the 64GB card that I use couldn't handle the 96k part of what I was trying for the first time.  (I normally go 24/48)

I was using XLR outs from the master off the SBD.  My buddy Tom put his attenuators inline and plugged them right into his Zoom.  I took a 1/8" to 1/8" off his Zoom.  His recording is fine of the first set is fine and mine is hosed. 

Thats VERY peculiar IMO Makes absolutely no sense at all that he got a fine recording while you got HOSED!!! Maybe something was wrong with his line out? Or maybe the mini>mini cable wasnt seated properly in his line out or your line in? Thats the ONLY thing I can think of.

[rigpimp]

Thats VERY peculiar IMO Makes absolutely no sense at all that he got a fine recording while you got HOSED!!! Maybe something was wrong with his line out? Or maybe the mini>mini cable wasnt seated properly in his line out or your line in? Thats the ONLY thing I can think of.

My first thought at the time was that 96k was too high of a sample rate.  I knocked it down to 48k and it worked.  The part that I have a very difficult time explaining was why the timer was not counting although when I turned the M10 back on to transfer the files to my PC it asked me to set the date and time like it had been fully reset somehow.