IEM related question (not about recording)

[Phoenx]

Hi,

I got a question about IEM recordings but not about how to record them, just a "technical" question. I hope this is appropriate.

Here is this so called "IEM" from Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park from 2004: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icpmYQWpmdo
So this was recorded the usual way, apparently it's only his mic feed, not his actual IEM mix (no click track etc), is that still technically an IEM feed, and if not, what is it? how would you call it?

[yousef]

I suppose it could be an IEM feed - but I can't think who onstage would just want the lead vocals in isolation. Perhaps the recorder tapped into the feed from a wireless vocal mic?

[Phoenx]

That's a possibility. Wireless mics were used.

[dmonkey]

My god, that's horrible.

[bravoland]

I'm pretty sure that's the direct mic feed from his wireless mic.  that's what happens when you try to pull an IEM feed without knowing the Freqs before hand. end up with something like that because live you can't make out thru earpiece whether or not it's an IEM or just a mic feed.  This happened to me a few years back. One of the reasons i got frustrated and quit wasting time trying to get IEMS

[acidjack]

My god, that's horrible.

Yup.

Related question: Does anybody know (roughly) how long people have been capturing these feeds?  Was this something people did in, say, the 90s?

[bravoland]

i remember some U2 shows from the 1997 popmart tour are IEM.. technically speaking.. i know U2 has been using IEM's since the 1992/93 tour http://www.theflyshades.com/1993_Bono_LEFT.jpg. but i've never seen any surface from that tour.

[rhinowing]

My god, that's horrible.

Yup.

Related question: Does anybody know (roughly) how long people have been capturing these feeds?  Was this something people did in, say, the 90s?

there is a smashing pumpkins ALD tape from 12/16/96

[willndmb]

My god, that's horrible.

Yup.

Related question: Does anybody know (roughly) how long people have been capturing these feeds?  Was this something people did in, say, the 90s?

there is a smashing pumpkins ALD tape from 12/16/96

different things, at least ones i have heard
alds are simply a feed of whats being broadcast to the crowd
iems are whats being broadcast to the band and often times will include band talking to each other

[rhinowing]

My god, that's horrible.

Yup.

Related question: Does anybody know (roughly) how long people have been capturing these feeds?  Was this something people did in, say, the 90s?

there is a smashing pumpkins ALD tape from 12/16/96

different things, at least ones i have heard
alds are simply a feed of whats being broadcast to the crowd
iems are whats being broadcast to the band and often times will include band talking to each other

ah, I did not realize

[Hahninator]

I have an ALD of a show (a festival) and I am pretty sure you can hear the band talking a bit between songs. Is that some sort of IEM mix they use for that possibly?

[LikeASong]

I have an ALD of a show (a festival) and I am pretty sure you can hear the band talking a bit between songs. Is that some sort of IEM mix they use for that possibly?

ALD stands for Assisted Listening Device; it's a completely different thing than the IEMs, which stand for In Ear Monitor and are the earphone feeds that substitute the big speakers that musician use(d) to have onstage. IEMs feature a different mix for each band member (for example, the singer will usually have few bass and a lot of guitar and drums; the bassist will mostly have drums; etc), sometimes a metronome and often a crew member speaking to them - something that the crowd doesn't hear, obviously. On the other hand, ALDs are also earphone feeds, but they're supplied to handicapped members of the audience, and they play the  exact same feed than the rest of the audience is hearing by the PA - just in a portable, reduced size device. ALDs are not always available/provided. If the recording you mention has the band talking, it's probably an IEM recording, even if the taper marked it as ALD.

[lpmaskman]

Shinoda's reconding is from his mic, yes.
I have an IEM recording of a Paramore show from 2010, the drummer's source. You can hear the metronome bleeps, it's very loud and drums and some of other instruments in low volumes.