Sony PCM-D100

[Amir]

Nice thing - price on D50 is now two times higher =) I think, that the reason is that everyone understands, that d100 mics are equal to d50. And only fool can pay 1000$ for a recorder with dsd-.....

D50/D100 owners, is that true? I'm not inclined to believe that -- maybe the D50's price hike reflects the renewed interest in that old recorder because the D100's shipment has been delayed.
I've not yet been able to get the D100, but Sony clearly mentions "redesigned microphones" in its description of the D100. Nothing, however, can prove that better than a side-by-side comparison of both recorders in action -- PCM please!

[Egor]

on 12 -19 page you can find d50 and d100 side by side, using built in mics. everyome who heard, said there is no difference. but..yes, redesigned mics - now they are plastic, and d50 has metal)))))

[Amir]

on 12 -19 page you can find d50 and d100 side by side, using built in mics. everyome who heard, said there is no difference. but..yes, redesigned mics - now they are plastic, and d50 has metal)))))

Is it necessarily a bad thing given the fact that the mics of the D100 are reportedly larger?

[labello]

http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm

[Amir]

http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm

So the D100 finally found its way into that famous table? Based on the information presented there, the D100 beats the D50 in many ways though it still remains to be seen what that victory translates to in real-life situations. I haven't heard D50 and D100 internal mic recordings side by side.

[Egor]

http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm

So the D100 finally found its way into that famous table? Based on the information presented there, the D100 beats the D50 in many ways though it still remains to be seen what that victory translates to in real-life situations. I haven't heard D50 and D100 internal mic recordings side by side.

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Re: Sony PCM-D100
« Reply #233 on: February 23, 2014, 02:12:19 PM »
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Here are mic-in and line-in preamp comps of the D50 and D100.

I don't have a phantom power adapter to go mic-in with the Beyers, so I used an old battery-powered SONY ECM-979 stereo mic, its output split into the mic-ins of the two recorders.

The line-in test was done Beyer MC 930's>Audient MICO>splitter>line-ins of the two recorders.

D50 mic-in: https://app.box.com/s/h3k31ctarpdsq7zu0621

D100 mic-in: https://app.box.com/s/qkkpxn4swvfvp2k5thn9
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[Amir]

http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm

So the D100 finally found its way into that famous table? Based on the information presented there, the D100 beats the D50 in many ways though it still remains to be seen what that victory translates to in real-life situations. I haven't heard D50 and D100 internal mic recordings side by side.

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Re: Sony PCM-D100
« Reply #233 on: February 23, 2014, 02:12:19 PM »
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Here are mic-in and line-in preamp comps of the D50 and D100.

I don't have a phantom power adapter to go mic-in with the Beyers, so I used an old battery-powered SONY ECM-979 stereo mic, its output split into the mic-ins of the two recorders.

The line-in test was done Beyer MC 930's>Audient MICO>splitter>line-ins of the two recorders.

D50 mic-in: https://app.box.com/s/h3k31ctarpdsq7zu0621

D100 mic-in: https://app.box.com/s/qkkpxn4swvfvp2k5thn9
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Thanks -- I'd listened to those great recordings a few weeks ago. However, with my previous message I meant that I was looking for recordings prepared in a more controlled setting. With these recordings I can detect virtually no difference between the 2 recorders -- even with pro headphones at work.

[sunflute]

  in stock at B&H. Just ordered mine! Can't wait.

[Egor]

in stock at B&H. Just ordered mine! Can't wait.

Dear Sunflute, great news! Could you, please, upload some files after getting this device? I mean voice) On a max level pcm 24/192 and dsd in 1 meter from device. Etc) pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaase! 

[sunflute]

Hello Everyone, So far in early testing, I Love this recorder.....definitely much better than the previous PCM-D50 and way better than the Tascam DR 100 MKII. I love the sound of the DSD recording option in fact I think it's a good way to feel a DSLR camera for nice, analog sounding video (even if the signal then gets converted back to compressed format). I tried doing some testing at 192PCM and 2.8DSD and I think I prefer the DSD sound. Hopefully in the next week or so I'll put some samples up for everyone to hear!  The build quality is also fantastic!

[Egor]

Hello Everyone, So far in early testing, I Love this recorder.....definitely much better than the previous PCM-D50 and way better than the Tascam DR 100 MKII. I love the sound of the DSD recording option in fact I think it's a good way to feel a DSLR camera for nice, analog sounding video (even if the signal then gets converted back to compressed format). I tried doing some testing at 192PCM and 2.8DSD and I think I prefer the DSD sound. Hopefully in the next week or so I'll put some samples up for everyone to hear!  The build quality is also fantastic!

amazing news, we are waiting for your pcm 24/192 and dsd samples so much!!!!!! it will be good to hear samples of voice (or guitar) at max rec gain using built in mics.

[Mike Davis]

Hello Everyone, So far in early testing, I Love this recorder.....definitely much better than the previous PCM-D50 and way better than the Tascam DR 100 MKII. I love the sound of the DSD recording option in fact I think it's a good way to feel a DSLR camera for nice, analog sounding video (even if the signal then gets converted back to compressed format). I tried doing some testing at 192PCM and 2.8DSD and I think I prefer the DSD sound. Hopefully in the next week or so I'll put some samples up for everyone to hear!  The build quality is also fantastic!

If this test isn't of any value to you, then please don't bother going to the effort, but I would really love to know how it sounds playing your 24-bit recordings, via the SPDIF optical output to a DAC and amp of your choice -and- via the analog Line Out to an amp of your choice, using the D100's own DAC. 

In other words, how well does it play what you've recorded (as opposed to removing the microSD card and taking it elsewhere for editing and playback)?

Thank you!

Mike

[AB52]

Would there by any audible difference in what is being recorded between the PCM d50 and PCMd100 using the DIGITAL INPUT?  (i.e. from a Sound Devices USBpre2 )

THANKS.

[H₂O]

No

[Mike Davis]

Revealing my ignorance of DSD, with this question...

Does anyone know if using the D100's optical output would in any way degrade the playback of a DSD recording?

I'm comfortable with assuming that analog output from the D100's DAC would not diminish DSD recordings and that the headphone out (via its very weak 25mW into 16-Ohm amp section) would be OK, as well, but what about the optical out (SPDFIF)?

Thanks!

Mike