CK61 or CK63

[willndmb]

I actually ran my ck61's (naiant actives) and ck63's (full body) on the same stand, same spot for Karl Denson this weekend I'll post them tonight.  It was indoors

Both  were > littlebox > dr680

i have a few show on lma, in kickdown that way
The differences are there but small imo

Can you post some links? Thanks

here are a couple
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=164701.0

https://archive.org/details/dtb2013-05-17.ck61.flac16
https://archive.org/details/dtb2013-05-17.akg483.flac16

https://archive.org/details/oar2013-08-31.ck61.flac16
https://archive.org/details/oar2013-08-31.akg483.flac16

First two are inside about 30' from stage slightly off center
Last is outside about 300' slightly off

[cashandkerouac]

I feel the best match for 460 bodies are a60/ck1s
but if you can't find them, then the ck63s work well in most rooms
the ck61s work well outdoors and in nice small rooms if you can't find the a60/ck1s

^ i totally agree with this.  i love the ck1s caps (that's "s" for sharp, not a plural reference for two ck1 caps), but have never used them for outdoor recording.  with the a60 adapter and the 460 bodies it's a wonderful combo.  and they're also great with the actives.  the downside is they are hard to find and the a60 adapters are expensive.

between the ck61 and ck63 caps my strong preference is for the ck61.  up close with minimal crowd noise the ck61 sounds much better to my ears.  however, if you're mostly recording in the OTS (or thereabouts) and/or at chatty bars the ck63 gets my vote.  i also would not be afraid to use the ck63 caps outdoors.  the difference in sensitivity to wind between the ck61 and ck63 is not dramatic, and a good outdoor windscreen will go a long way towards mitigating risk.

[darby]

I feel the best match for 460 bodies are a60/ck1s
but if you can't find them, then the ck63s work well in most rooms
the ck61s work well outdoors and in nice small rooms if you can't find the a60/ck1s

^ i totally agree with this.  i love the ck1s caps (that's "s" for sharp, not a plural reference for two ck1 caps), but have never used them for outdoor recording.  with the a60 adapter and the 460 bodies it's a wonderful combo.  and they're also great with the actives.  the downside is they are hard to find and the a60 adapters are expensive.

between the ck61 and ck63 caps my strong preference is for the ck61.  up close with minimal crowd noise the ck61 sounds much better to my ears.  however, if you're mostly recording in the OTS (or thereabouts) and/or at chatty bars the ck63 gets my vote.  i also would not be afraid to use the ck63 caps outdoors.  the difference in sensitivity to wind between the ck61 and ck63 is not dramatic, and a good outdoor windscreen will go a long way towards mitigating risk.

actually Trent I was referring to plural ck1
I haven't ran the s variety... yet

[Phil Zone]

I actually ran my ck61's (naiant actives) and ck63's (full body) on the same stand, same spot for Karl Denson this weekend I'll post them tonight.  It was indoors

Both  were > littlebox > dr680

i have a few show on lma, in kickdown that way
The differences are there but small imo

Can you post some links? Thanks

here are a couple
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=164701.0

https://archive.org/details/dtb2013-05-17.ck61.flac16
https://archive.org/details/dtb2013-05-17.akg483.flac16

https://archive.org/details/oar2013-08-31.ck61.flac16
https://archive.org/details/oar2013-08-31.akg483.flac16

First two are inside about 30' from stage slightly off center
Last is outside about 300' slightly off

Thank you for the examples, to me the ck61 is way better, but I'm a bass lover so... My thinking is I may use the hypers in my busmans and matrix it with the ck61 cards.

[obaaron]

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=165095.0

here is my full body 463 > littlebox > dr680 pull from Friday night.  The ck61 actives will be up tonight in "kickdown"

[cashandkerouac]

I feel the best match for 460 bodies are a60/ck1s
but if you can't find them, then the ck63s work well in most rooms
the ck61s work well outdoors and in nice small rooms if you can't find the a60/ck1s

^ i totally agree with this.  i love the ck1s caps (that's "s" for sharp, not a plural reference for two ck1 caps), but have never used them for outdoor recording.  with the a60 adapter and the 460 bodies it's a wonderful combo.  and they're also great with the actives.  the downside is they are hard to find and the a60 adapters are expensive.

between the ck61 and ck63 caps my strong preference is for the ck61.  up close with minimal crowd noise the ck61 sounds much better to my ears.  however, if you're mostly recording in the OTS (or thereabouts) and/or at chatty bars the ck63 gets my vote.  i also would not be afraid to use the ck63 caps outdoors.  the difference in sensitivity to wind between the ck61 and ck63 is not dramatic, and a good outdoor windscreen will go a long way towards mitigating risk.

actually Trent I was referring to plural ck1
I haven't ran the s variety... yet

i also love the ck1    i don't think anyone can go wrong with the ck1, ck1s, ck61 or ck63.  they're all great caps. 

[adrianf74]

What B_U_F just said... they're no "wrong" cap; it just depends on what you're use is going to be and where you're going to be positioned.  They're both amazing little caps (and that's why I own both).

[ccage]

Once i got my 63's...my 61's sat in my closet for 10 yrs.
If you like the "sizzle" - the 63's  never dissapoint.   

[adrianf74]

Once i got my 63's...my 61's sat in my closet for 10 yrs.
If you like the "sizzle" - the 63's  never dissapoint.

In my case, I'm not sure if want to hat mount the 63soso the 61s serve their purpose.

[obaaron]

Here is the link to both sources from Friday night Karl Denson.  Same Stand.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=165095.msg2064095#msg2064095

akg 460b/ck63 > littlebox > 680

ck61 > naiant actives > littlebox > 680

[tgakidis]

i love the ck1s caps (that's "s" for sharp, not a plural reference for two ck1 caps), but have never used them for outdoor recording.

I think the "S" actually stands for speech, as in a vocal mic.

[willndmb]

Here is the link to both sources from Friday night Karl Denson.  Same Stand.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=165095.msg2064095#msg2064095

akg 460b/ck63 > littlebox > 680

ck61 > naiant actives > littlebox > 680

i only had a chance to listen to short clips but it sounded to me like the 63 cut down the crowd and the 61 where more alive for lack of a better term

[JimmieC]

Wow the Karl Denson sounds really good.  I'd take either but liked the ck61 a little better.  However, I might be prejudice to the ck61 since that is what I have listened to for awhile.  I see Karl is playin' Tipitina's after WSP Nov 1 show.

[obaaron]

I see Karl is playin' Tipitina's after WSP Nov 1 show.

If your are close by I would recommend checking it out...great show as always!

[cashandkerouac]

I see Karl is playin' Tipitina's after WSP Nov 1 show.

If your are close by I would recommend checking it out...great show as always!

ditto.  Karl is one of my favorite live bands to see.  i caught the recent shows in Sacramento and Santa Cruz and they were awesome.  i really liked the contribution from Zach Deputy, as the Ray Charles stuff exceeded my expectations.  i didn't record either show because of the crowd (yak yak yak all night long), but that's a whole other discussion altogether.