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schoeps shock mount
« on: September 24, 2014, 08:51:22 AM »
I am curious what people are using today besides the A20S. I am looking to pick up a spare and not break the bank.
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2014, 09:07:57 AM »
I like the HM30 a lot. They are one of the smallest and lightest mounts around and they are only about $9 each. Superlux and others sell them.

http://avlex.com/products/hm-30-stand-mount/

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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2014, 09:27:19 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2014, 09:30:02 AM »
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2014, 12:30:47 PM »
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2014, 01:14:12 PM »
X2 on these. The INV-7 is nice because it's adjustable for different lengths of mics.


Link to Rycote InVision INV series shock mounts.
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2014, 02:11:00 PM »
I been using four of those chinese a20 knock offs for a few years now without any issues.  They're 2mm too big for schoeps mics, but I stuck a small strip of the soft loop half of a piece of velcro on the ID of the cradle and solved the diameter problem forever since that stuff sticks great.  They ship from China, but they were in my mailbox just over a week after I paid for them.

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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2014, 03:48:37 PM »
I prefer the Rycote InVision as well.
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014, 04:17:57 PM »
Everything I have seen or used is inferior to the Rycote. If you use Kwon bars, using that plus the INV-HG saves you a little money on Rycotes and that thing is a tank.
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2014, 05:50:26 PM »
I been using four of those chinese a20 knock offs for a few years now without any issues.  They're 2mm too big for schoeps mics, but I stuck a small strip of the soft loop half of a piece of velcro on the ID of the cradle and solved the diameter problem forever since that stuff sticks great.  They ship from China, but they were in my mailbox just over a week after I paid for them.

I use one of these linked by Jesse to hold my DIY mount and it works just fine for me: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=169881.0 

Having used the real Schoeps A20 when I borrowed some Schoeps mics from a friend, I can't say that the real thing is any higher quality construction than the knockoff version.  I know others may disagree, but I can't wrap my head around how Schoeps can charge such high prices for some of their plastic accessories.  Rycote on the other hand - that is a noticeable quality difference.

Regarding the cradle size - I have used adhesive-backed felt when I ran a 19mm bar.  You could also order a Schoeps 20mm cradle from Posthorn or Redding, but I think they're around $22 each which is more than the entire shockmount costs.
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2014, 10:53:21 PM »
Everything I have seen or used is inferior to the Rycote. If you use Kwon bars, using that plus the INV-HG saves you a little money on Rycotes and that thing is a tank.

I have been using the chinese knock offs and they are shit, it takes me an extra ten minutes to adjust the rubber bands and get them perfectly straight.
The INV-HG looks like the ticket to me, thanks for the info.
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2014, 05:03:40 AM »
I would use a Rycote INV-3 for studio use - it's better than the Schoeps original, IMHO.

I now use Rycote mounts instead of manufacturer originals on all my mics now.

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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2014, 08:52:57 AM »
The first two links in this thread point to stand adapters that don't isolate the cable from the stand. That defeats much of the purpose of having a shock mount. I give those items a hearty "boo" (unfortunately this applies also to the otherwise very appealing Shure rubber donuts).

--Are people here aware that the sensitivity of a microphone to solid-borne noise and vibration is a function of the capsule type? Since Schoeps mikes are all single-diaphragm, you can relate this directly to directional pattern, with omni capsules being about 20 dB less sensitive than figure-8s, just as they are less sensitive to wind and (for close miking of speech and vocals) breath noise and popping on consonants. If you have MK 5 or MK 6 switchable-pattern capsules, the sensitivity to solid-borne noise corresponds to the pattern setting.

That all said (sigh), Schoeps has a long tradition of manufacturing their own mounting accessories, as well as accessories for other manufacturers--for example I have some older "Neumann" wind screens and desk stands that were made for them by Schoeps, odd though that may seem today. They also offer thin, lightweight microphone cables with Kevlar-clad insulation that are terminated with Neutrik EMC connectors--the kind that stops most RFI problems dead in their tracks. Those should be used by more people who do location recording. And I've always used their stand adapters, which I like especially now that they're using rubber instead of hard plastic for the parts that actually contact the microphone body.

These accessories end up with price tags to match, however. Schoeps has a significant number of customers who prefer to buy Schoeps accessories for their Schoeps microphones, so it makes sense from the company's perspective to keep manufacturing these items.

But (have I buried my lead enough?) as far as shock mounts are concerned, I find that Rycote has solved the basic engineering problem in a way that others have not. Their InVision shock mounts are distinctly more effective at doing what a shock mount exists to do, than any other type I've seen in 40+ years of recording. My only complaint is that when I use one to hold a stereo bar with two cables coming off of it, it's a little hard to get both cables fastened reliably. But as far as the suspension itself is concerned, as long as you're using the right type for the size and weight of microphone(s) that you're suspending, they're miles ahead of anything else around.

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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2014, 10:59:17 AM »
The first two links in this thread point to stand adapters that don't isolate the cable from the stand. That defeats much of the purpose of having a shock mount. I give those items a hearty "boo" (unfortunately this applies also to the otherwise very appealing Shure rubber donuts).

The Ebay item linked (A20 clone) has a very similar assembly to isolate the cable as the A20.  I have this mount and it does that job just fine.  The clips on Rycote mounts do hold the cable more securely, it seems.  Either way, I prefer to use a velcro wrap at the top of the stand to strain-relief and isolate the cable instead of relying on what is built into the mount itself.  I agree that if you don't isolate the cable somehow then you're negating some of the effect of a shock mount, but I think how you choose to rig the cable is more important than the design of a cable clip on the shock mount itself.  The fact that the donut-style mounts lack this clip doesn't mean they're not any good - you just have to remember to rig the cable appropriately.
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Re: schoeps shock mount
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2014, 03:18:53 PM »
I agree that if you don't isolate the cable somehow then you're negating some of the effect of a shock mount, but I think how you choose to rig the cable is more important than the design of a cable clip on the shock mount itself.  The fact that the donut-style mounts lack this clip doesn't mean they're not any good - you just have to remember to rig the cable appropriately.

Quite so.

 

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