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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #225 on: February 13, 2017, 01:11:24 PM »
it took awhile but pro sound refunded my paypal and they got it back to me . A used m10 came up at guitar center for 199.00 . i snagged it and its like new. Pro sound has a good reputation
and im sure they dont want a bad rap .i'm planning on getting a sonosax sxr4+ soon and the  price they quoted is really nice.  they screwed up but then s--t happens.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #226 on: February 13, 2017, 01:25:57 PM »
Pro Sound's site now states that the item is no longer available.

Conflicting responses from the site don't clarify whether the M10 was ever recently available there.  We will have to see whether anyone who received a confirmation actually gets a unit.  B&H confirmed my order,  charged my card and then sent a "sorry, item not available" message later.

Still trying to get my refund from these assholes, I've called four times.

My last experience with them was bad.  Never again.

If this is true, I will have to dispute the charge with my CC company

When I did that they refunded my money despite the fact that the big screen TV they had mis-shipped had been received back to their inventory for 2 weeks.  The TV was sent by some ground freight company rather than Fedex Ground and this place could only deliver M-F 9 to 5 and would not provide an approximate time or I could arrange for pickup M-F 9 to 5.  I had waited for them once by working at home and they told me they had a truck problem and couldn't deliver but could reschedule.  I told them to keep their TV at that point and by them prices had dropped so I actually paid less 6 weeks later. 

After the poor service by B&H I decided they would never get my business again and seeing the debacle with the M-10's further justifies by decision.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #227 on: February 15, 2017, 02:00:16 PM »
I'm not sure how scientific it is or if it makes a difference when I get to a show. But I tried to tune my m10 to be in unity with my V3 analog out. I ran a YouTube video of a few different frequencies giving a continuous tone. Then I manipulated the gain in the V3 and m10 until I could dial them in together. I've read that "4" is unity gain for most people's m10 but what I came up with is a shade under "3". That seems to be dead on with my V3. I guess running other gear in front of the m10 could have something to do with other people's experience but at least I'm fairly confident this pairing is nails on.
Is the output of the M10 set to LINE?

i didn't have anything going out of the M10.  i went V3 > M10 Line In
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #228 on: February 15, 2017, 04:09:47 PM »
Pro Sound's site now states that the item is no longer available.

Conflicting responses from the site don't clarify whether the M10 was ever recently available there.  We will have to see whether anyone who received a confirmation actually gets a unit.  B&H confirmed my order,  charged my card and then sent a "sorry, item not available" message later.


I thought the problem was with PROSOUND not B & H ?

Still trying to get my refund from these assholes, I've called four times.

My last experience with them was bad.  Never again.

If this is true, I will have to dispute the charge with my CC company

When I did that they refunded my money despite the fact that the big screen TV they had mis-shipped had been received back to their inventory for 2 weeks.  The TV was sent by some ground freight company rather than Fedex Ground and this place could only deliver M-F 9 to 5 and would not provide an approximate time or I could arrange for pickup M-F 9 to 5.  I had waited for them once by working at home and they told me they had a truck problem and couldn't deliver but could reschedule.  I told them to keep their TV at that point and by them prices had dropped so I actually paid less 6 weeks later. 

After the poor service by B&H I decided they would never get my business again and seeing the debacle with the M-10's further justifies by decision.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #229 on: March 05, 2017, 02:39:43 PM »
Good God this thing is becoming more of a nuisance than anything.  I keep trying to give it more chances to no avail.

I have been using the M-10 as my  >:D recorder and every time I go out with it I have different problems.  Mostly what I presumed to be user error but now am unsure.

Last night I went out to record a hip hop gig.  I have popped in what I thought was a fresh set of Eneloops AA and about half way through a 5 hour night I notice that the batteries are sinking fast.  There were A LOT of DJ's in between short hip hop acts so I shut the recorder down a couple of times and just skipped the DJ crap.

Now this morning I go onto my SD card and only see 2 files but one of them is the main act so I am thinking this is OK since that is why I went in the 1st place.  I plug the USB cable in and see the rest of the early files on the internal memory. 

When powering the unit down why would it revert from internal to SD card?  I figured it might be the other way around but I had all setting triple checked before heading out for the evening and it was SET TO RUN ON THE MEMORY CARD.

Second issue was that even though I had levels peaking around -6 I have a squared off wave form.  I have yet to look at the limiter setting but is it possible that this turned on via one of my reboots?  This is fu%^ing crazy.  I just need a small bit bucket dammit.   :angry3:
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #230 on: March 07, 2017, 11:19:47 PM »
I run the limiter on my m10 approximately 100% of the time and squared off waves at -6 dB does not sound like anything I recognize.

I just powered mine down and up a couple times, once set for memory card and once set for internal, and power cycling did not affect the memory setting on my main unit (the one where the display isn't cracked!) Note that the machine will idle for weeks without draining the batteries - I typically only power cycle when changing batteries. I also don't think I've formatted my SD card for 4-5 years, I just delete files and empty the trash on my mac.

Sounds like yours might be messed up?  :-[

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #231 on: March 07, 2017, 11:29:33 PM »
Seconding everything Morst said. Is it possible the squared-off waveform is clipping at some other point in the chain, not within the M-10?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #232 on: March 08, 2017, 10:15:02 AM »
Concerning the battery drain, is the m10 set to "nimh"? Long shot, I know. Weird stuff happening to yours, my experience matches others. No issues whatsoever.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #233 on: March 08, 2017, 10:58:02 AM »
Good God this thing is becoming more of a nuisance than anything.  I keep trying to give it more chances to no avail.

I have been using the M-10 as my  >:D recorder and every time I go out with it I have different problems.  Mostly what I presumed to be user error but now am unsure.

Last night I went out to record a hip hop gig.  I have popped in what I thought was a fresh set of Eneloops AA and about half way through a 5 hour night I notice that the batteries are sinking fast.  There were A LOT of DJ's in between short hip hop acts so I shut the recorder down a couple of times and just skipped the DJ crap.

Now this morning I go onto my SD card and only see 2 files but one of them is the main act so I am thinking this is OK since that is why I went in the 1st place.  I plug the USB cable in and see the rest of the early files on the internal memory. 

When powering the unit down why would it revert from internal to SD card?  I figured it might be the other way around but I had all setting triple checked before heading out for the evening and it was SET TO RUN ON THE MEMORY CARD.

Second issue was that even though I had levels peaking around -6 I have a squared off wave form.  I have yet to look at the limiter setting but is it possible that this turned on via one of my reboots?  This is fu%^ing crazy.  I just need a small bit bucket dammit.   :angry3:

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #234 on: March 08, 2017, 04:23:54 PM »
I think that I may have just found the culprit.  It is brickwalling caused by the Tinybox.  I am pretty sure mine was HIGH and it was a really loud rap concert.  I bet I overloaded it.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #235 on: March 08, 2017, 05:26:13 PM »
it was a really loud rap concert.
It's also possible that the concert sound itself was drastically limited and squared off! But you'd see analog fuzzies on your recording from those square waves distorting the speakers and traveling through the air...
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #236 on: March 15, 2017, 10:46:08 AM »
I would like to verify that the Mic Sens (ATT) high/low setting has no effect if you go Line In with a pre-amp on the M10.
Is this correct?

My main rig is: Church Audio CA-11 Cardioid Mics - > Church Audio Ugly 2 Preamp (Gain setting +15db) -> Line In -> Sony PCM-M10

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #237 on: March 15, 2017, 03:42:31 PM »
I would like to verify that the Mic Sens (ATT) high/low setting has no effect if you go Line In with a pre-amp on the M10.
Is this correct?

My main rig is: Church Audio CA-11 Cardioid Mics - > Church Audio Ugly 2 Preamp (Gain setting +15db) -> Line In -> Sony PCM-M10

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #238 on: March 15, 2017, 05:25:32 PM »
I think that I may have just found the culprit.  It is brickwalling caused by the Tinybox.  I am pretty sure mine was HIGH and it was a really loud rap concert.  I bet I overloaded it.
I have found that I need to run on LOW for loud, not even the loudest, concerts. I run at 24 bit to get some headroom, and crank the M10 almost all the way up generally. Only the very loudest of shows will go over on Tinybox LOW + M10 cranked for me. I had realized that I was getting distortion on too many shows using the MED setting, let alone the HIGH setting. I wish I could use MED more often but you usually don't have much of a clue how much bass will be in the mix before the music starts.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #239 on: March 16, 2017, 09:52:44 AM »
I think that I may have just found the culprit.  It is brickwalling caused by the Tinybox.  I am pretty sure mine was HIGH and it was a really loud rap concert.  I bet I overloaded it.
I have found that I need to run on LOW for loud, not even the loudest, concerts. I run at 24 bit to get some headroom, and crank the M10 almost all the way up generally. Only the very loudest of shows will go over on Tinybox LOW + M10 cranked for me. I had realized that I was getting distortion on too many shows using the MED setting, let alone the HIGH setting. I wish I could use MED more often but you usually don't have much of a clue how much bass will be in the mix before the music starts.

I'm pretty sure this was the problem now.  I just popped open a CCM4>Tinybox>M10 recording I made at Charlotte Phish from back in 2012 and the end of the show went over too and I think that I had it set at MED.  I normally record pretty quiet acoustic stuff which is why I likely had it set higher for Twista.
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