Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)

[nulldogmas]

Seconding everything Morst said. Is it possible the squared-off waveform is clipping at some other point in the chain, not within the M-10?

[MakersMarc]

Concerning the battery drain, is the m10 set to "nimh"? Long shot, I know. Weird stuff happening to yours, my experience matches others. No issues whatsoever.

[lsd2525]

Good God this thing is becoming more of a nuisance than anything.  I keep trying to give it more chances to no avail.

I have been using the M-10 as my  recorder and every time I go out with it I have different problems.  Mostly what I presumed to be user error but now am unsure.

Last night I went out to record a hip hop gig.  I have popped in what I thought was a fresh set of Eneloops AA and about half way through a 5 hour night I notice that the batteries are sinking fast.  There were A LOT of DJ's in between short hip hop acts so I shut the recorder down a couple of times and just skipped the DJ crap.

Now this morning I go onto my SD card and only see 2 files but one of them is the main act so I am thinking this is OK since that is why I went in the 1st place.  I plug the USB cable in and see the rest of the early files on the internal memory. 

When powering the unit down why would it revert from internal to SD card?  I figured it might be the other way around but I had all setting triple checked before heading out for the evening and it was SET TO RUN ON THE MEMORY CARD.

Second issue was that even though I had levels peaking around -6 I have a squared off wave form.  I have yet to look at the limiter setting but is it possible that this turned on via one of my reboots?  This is fu%^ing crazy.  I just need a small bit bucket dammit.   

If you want to get rid of that flaky POS I'll make the ultimate sacrifice and take it off your hands.......

[rigpimp]

I think that I may have just found the culprit.  It is brickwalling caused by the Tinybox.  I am pretty sure mine was HIGH and it was a really loud rap concert.  I bet I overloaded it.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=176892.msg2181045#msg2181045

[morst]

it was a really loud rap concert.

It's also possible that the concert sound itself was drastically limited and squared off! But you'd see analog fuzzies on your recording from those square waves distorting the speakers and traveling through the air...

[rockphantom]

I would like to verify that the Mic Sens (ATT) high/low setting has no effect if you go Line In with a pre-amp on the M10.
Is this correct?

My main rig is: Church Audio CA-11 Cardioid Mics - > Church Audio Ugly 2 Preamp (Gain setting +15db) -> Line In -> Sony PCM-M10

Thank You!

[willndmb]

I would like to verify that the Mic Sens (ATT) high/low setting has no effect if you go Line In with a pre-amp on the M10.
Is this correct?

My main rig is: Church Audio CA-11 Cardioid Mics - > Church Audio Ugly 2 Preamp (Gain setting +15db) -> Line In -> Sony PCM-M10

Thank You!

correct, just for the internals
Set the m10 side dial at 4 to start off with

[eman]

I think that I may have just found the culprit.  It is brickwalling caused by the Tinybox.  I am pretty sure mine was HIGH and it was a really loud rap concert.  I bet I overloaded it.

I have found that I need to run on LOW for loud, not even the loudest, concerts. I run at 24 bit to get some headroom, and crank the M10 almost all the way up generally. Only the very loudest of shows will go over on Tinybox LOW + M10 cranked for me. I had realized that I was getting distortion on too many shows using the MED setting, let alone the HIGH setting. I wish I could use MED more often but you usually don't have much of a clue how much bass will be in the mix before the music starts.

[rigpimp]

I think that I may have just found the culprit.  It is brickwalling caused by the Tinybox.  I am pretty sure mine was HIGH and it was a really loud rap concert.  I bet I overloaded it.

I have found that I need to run on LOW for loud, not even the loudest, concerts. I run at 24 bit to get some headroom, and crank the M10 almost all the way up generally. Only the very loudest of shows will go over on Tinybox LOW + M10 cranked for me. I had realized that I was getting distortion on too many shows using the MED setting, let alone the HIGH setting. I wish I could use MED more often but you usually don't have much of a clue how much bass will be in the mix before the music starts.

I'm pretty sure this was the problem now.  I just popped open a CCM4>Tinybox>M10 recording I made at Charlotte Phish from back in 2012 and the end of the show went over too and I think that I had it set at MED.  I normally record pretty quiet acoustic stuff which is why I likely had it set higher for Twista.

[willndmb]

I have never had to run on high with the tb.
Med sometimes but low if I want plenty of room

[mtahir]

I was wondering if the remote port on the Sony PCM-M10 can be used as a lanc port? The PCM-M10 comes with a remote that has a 2.5mm/TRRS connector. Lanc cables tend to be 2.5mm/TRS types from what I can tell. Does anyone know if it's possible?

Thanks

[wppcproductions]

Concerning the battery drain, is the m10 set to "nimh"? Long shot, I know. Weird stuff happening to yours, my experience matches others. No issues whatsoever.

The M10 is battery savy  compared to the R09hr.I use the same rechargeable batteries and never had issues of running flat in middle of recordings.Most live  recordings I do run 2 1/2 to 3/1/2 hours long.Since running time info is different  from everybody here .The best thing to do  is run a test of your own is let it record something not important like the radio and let the fully charged  batteries run flat.The time length will be known with the  full length of what was recorded.You always can delete the test file unless you heard something  interesting that was recorded from the radio.

[CaptainSumo]

(1) That Sony has discontinued the World's best pocket recorder.  I have two but then again, I simply don't understand why a company would discontinue such a great little unit.

(2) Putting aside the corporate decision to discontinue it, not having a replacement for this market seems silly.  Will I have to get a third unit?  Jeez.

I very much suspect they discontinued the M10 because it was just a bit too good for something at that price, and it was disrupting Sony's sales and pricing model. If everybody was buying the M10 and attaching it to external mics, instead of shelling out the cash for Sony's premium models, Sony had to take action. Simply adding $200 to the RRP would have caused more hassle and negative publicity than anyone wanted, so the alternative was to discontinue and make sure the replacement wouldn't be useable in the same way.

Another possible theory is that Sony's Sales and Marketing department is staggeringly incompetent and didn't realise how many people used this unit. Considering how successful Sony is, I don't think that can be the case.

[KenH]

Wondering how would you connect a Lunatec V3 to the Sony M10.  The V3 has optical and SPDIF and XLR outs only.

TIA   

[willndmb]

Wondering how would you connect a Lunatec V3 to the Sony M10.  The V3 has optical and SPDIF and XLR outs only.

TIA   

XLR > 1/8
for example http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/hosa-3.5mm-male-trs-to-dual-xlr-male-stereo-breakout-y-cable/j02163000001000?cntry=us&source=3WWRWXGP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2Y7IndSJ1wIVhVmGCh23Pw8SEAQYAiABEgLC5PD_BwE&kwid=productads-adid%5E221957295833-device%5Ec-plaid%5E335491602633-sku%5EJ02163000001000@ADL4MF-adType%5EPLA