Topic: R09 + DPA4061

[pillowman]

question: will the combo Edirol R09 (old model) > mic in > DPA4061 work
or do I need an extra bbox
thanks for time and help !!!
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pillowman

[aaronji]

Get a battery box.

[chinariderstl]

Sorry to hijack the thread (but this is somewhat related): For the following DPA's, that are terminated to TA4F mini XLR's, how do you connect those to 48V Phantom Power via a standard XLR cable?  Is that even possible?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/952551-REG/dpa_microphones_4061_b10k_standard_sens_mini_omni.html

Would the Audio-Technica AT8538 work?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462543-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8538_AT8538_Phantom_Power_Supply.html

[aaronji]

^ Pretty sure you'll need a PFA of some sort to run those with P48.  Those wireless things are usually battery box type voltage.

[goodcooker]

Sorry to hijack the thread (but this is somewhat related): For the following DPA's, that are terminated to TA4F mini XLR's, how do you connect those to 48V Phantom Power via a standard XLR cable?  Is that even possible?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/952551-REG/dpa_microphones_4061_b10k_standard_sens_mini_omni.html

Would the Audio-Technica AT8538 work?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462543-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8538_AT8538_Phantom_Power_Supply.html

The AT module steps down the voltage from 11-52V > 9V (if i remember correctly) so that would be appropriate but it has a connector for TA3 so you would have to reterminate the mics and make sure the correct signal was on the correct wire/pins.

[chinariderstl]

Gotchya, thanks Roger.

[Gutbucket]

Yeah, most similar P48(XLR)>low-voltage-adapters designed for 2-wire powering, providing 5 to 9 volts to the microphone will work, given the correct connection or adapter.   Naiant, DPA, AT, Sure, Senn, Audix, Tram, Sony, Sanken, etc.. among others.

[Gutbucket]

Pillowman,  It might work to plug your 4061 pair directly into the R-09 with PIP switched on, but they will not be optimally powered.  I did that a few times with a few different pairs of DPAs.  Some did not work at all, some did.  If they do work they will have a lower maximum SPL before overload and may distort.  Better to power them correctly even if they work.

[Jamos]

Your best option to run the TA4F terminated 4061s with P48 might be to purchase one or two PFA cables from Naiant that go from TA4M > XLR M, they would include the voltage step-down circuitry. 

[Gutbucket]

I use Naiant PFAs for DPA 4060/4061/4098 as well as AT853.  They work great.  Jon will put whatever mini-xlr you want on them.

That solution will not work for Pillowman into an R-09 however. He'll need either a battery box or low-voltage mic-power preamp.

[pillowman]

Pillowman,  It might work to plug your 4061 pair directly into the R-09 with PIP switched on, but they will not be optimally powered.  I did that a few times with a few different pairs of DPAs.  Some did not work at all, some did.  If they do work they will have a lower maximum SPL before overload and may distort.  Better to power them correctly even if they work.

thanks for jumping on my question ... will give it a try tonight but will run 2 rigs ;-) so everything will be fine !
happy taping 2 all !
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[pillowman]

after some testing last night I can tell that this combo R09 > mic in > DPA4061 doesn't work.
everything is missing like level, dynamic, bass a.s.o.
good that I was running a second rig :-)
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pm

[weroflu]

Maybe for some limited number of people who only run dpa lavs and commit to not running other mics there could be a recorder mod possible to change  the pip bias resistors. If this could be done it looks like no battery box would be needed.

[fmaderjr]

Maybe for some limited number of people who only run dpa lavs and commit to not running other mics there could be a recorder mod possible to change  the pip bias resistors. If this could be done it looks like no battery box would be needed.

Or just get a Marantz PMD-620 off of E-Bay. They have higher PIP than most other hand helds (I think they say it's 5 volts but I measured it at 4.6). I've recorded loud music with DPA 4060's > PMD-620 with no issues. If used to record extremely loud music like stack taping, a battery box could be required though. I didn't test the combo for that.