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AKG CK1's sound test
« on: December 17, 2017, 03:57:46 PM »
I ran two pairs of AKG CK1's last night and they sound very different. This is DJ Williams Shots Fired at Winston's. It's lacking vocals since it's a stage tape, but I was testing mics and didn't care about the vox. I'm buying James Bartoli's mics and wanted to test them first. I have 460's with black CK1's and 452's with silver CK1's. Both pair were on stage ORTF and sound great, but one pair is lacking on the low end. I'm hoping you that someone else can listen to them and see what they think.

They're poly wav files (4 channels 24/96). I switched the pre amps at set break for comparison.

Set 1:
inputs 1 + 2 = CK1 (silver) > actives > 744
inputs 3 + 4 = 460/CK1 (black) > V2 > 744

Set 2:
inputs 1 + 2 = 460/CK1 (black) > 744
inputs 3 + 4 = CK1 (silver) > actives > V2 > 744

I still need to test the silvers on the 460's. Will do that one next. My plan is to run the 460/CK8's at MSG with my MK4's, but want to make sure the 460 bodies are good. The last pair I tested was unable to keep a capsule powered for the complete show so I'm trying another pair he has.

Here is the link. thanks for taking the time to review
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B1FUeCqBUU2B3c8Yi9D7sKaN3XQnnqnU


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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2017, 10:40:32 PM »
Didn't get a chance to listen, as Im at work but have made a change to running 460/480 bodies a lot lately beacause Ive found the actives have no "balls" as one friend described it. Im not sure if the actives are the ones your noticing not bringing lows but if so Ive noticed the same with my 61>actives.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2017, 12:10:52 AM »
Didn't get a chance to listen, as Im at work but have made a change to running 460/480 bodies a lot lately beacause Ive found the actives have no "balls" as one friend described it. Im not sure if the actives are the ones your noticing not bringing lows but if so Ive noticed the same with my 61>actives.

Actually, the actives were the ones with the 'lows'.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2017, 01:14:19 AM »
Well than my statement isnt much help. I have had a bunch of issues with finding the right bodies as well. Couple too low of an output, signal fading, popping. Its been a challenge but things are coming around finally and im pretty happy with the results. Ill take a listen in the morning and see if i can help out with any useful feedback.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2017, 01:19:53 AM »
Well than my statement isnt much help. I have had a bunch of issues with finding the right bodies as well. Couple too low of an output, signal fading, popping. Its been a challenge but things are coming around finally and im pretty happy with the results. Ill take a listen in the morning and see if i can help out with any useful feedback.

I'm gonna borrow friends bodies to use with the CK8's I bought, till I can afford new 480's. I'm starting to notice that these mics are not good to buy used. I have a matched pair of schoeps which spoiled me.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2017, 01:36:49 AM »
Yeah, that's a whole different ballgame with your shoeps. Ive had some matched pairs of lower tier mics and got used to setting levels at pretty much a similar spot on a pre-amp. Then I started messing with then akg's and started getting like What the!?!? I started using the actives and it made things a lot closer, but for a while trying to find something close with used second hand 460 and 480 bodies was kind of a nightmare. The things were all over the place. Im definitely psyched to be getting some decent 480's next week myself from a friend as well. I borrowed a pair for a bit and fell in love. I love the 460's but there a little on the tubby side where the 480's are pretty much exactly what I like listening to. Crisp and bright with a sweet plump under carriage.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 01:39:13 AM »
Also I have ck8's with A60's if you don't have your own and ever needed to use them out here. There pretty much mint and I could probly send em with Andy to MSG if you needed? You wouldn't have to fly with em.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2017, 11:35:49 AM »
Also I have ck8's with A60's if you don't have your own and ever needed to use them out here. There pretty much mint and I could probly send em with Andy to MSG if you needed? You wouldn't have to fly with em.

That really cool of you but I may end up sending back a bunch of cash instead of the mics :)

I’m thinking I need to buy a new pair of 480’s at some point.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 01:49:36 PM »
Does anyone have a contact for akg repair\service for Charlie? Rematching of mics within a certain standard deviation or range should be a common problem they've encountered. I'm sure they would charge you but they should repair them right? I'm a little spoiled with mbhos lifetime warranty - had my cards sent in after 16 years use no questions asked and no charge. Took 2 months to get them back from Europe though (hand made caps).
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 02:30:29 PM »
Is it possible that there are two different types of CK1 out there?
One kind is an electret capsule, for use with the "active" cable.  Ck1x
There other type is an externally polarized, ck1 capsule.

Not sure if this is your problem, but it may explain some problems you're having putting capsules on various mics,

Also note that only the 460 capsules work with the active cable ck1x.  CK1x won't work with 480's.

Good luck.



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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2017, 03:05:03 PM »
Is it possible that there are two different types of CK1 out there?
One kind is an electret capsule, for use with the "active" cable.  Ck1x
There other type is an externally polarized, ck1 capsule.

Not sure if this is your problem, but it may explain some problems you're having putting capsules on various mics,

Also note that only the 460 capsules work with the active cable ck1x.  CK1x won't work with 480's.

Good luck.





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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 03:10:06 PM »
ok dumb question but the roll off isnt set on the bodies by chance is it ?

Are they the bodies with the selector switches ?
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 03:23:47 PM »
ok dumb question but the roll off isnt set on the bodies by chance is it ?

Are they the bodies with the selector switches ?

Funny thing is they sound like the switch is on but it's not.

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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 03:39:43 PM »
Before I bought my first pair of SDC mics I knew I really liked the 140's and the CCM4 but the 480's and 414's just never made me tingle the way that other mics did.  Needless to say that I ran 140's for over 10 years and am now all Schoeps, including the CCM4's.
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Re: AKG CK1's sound test
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 04:02:55 PM »
Is it possible that there are two different types of CK1 out there?
One kind is an electret capsule, for use with the "active" cable.  Ck1x
There other type is an externally polarized, ck1 capsule.

Not sure if this is your problem, but it may explain some problems you're having putting capsules on various mics,

Also note that only the 460 capsules work with the active cable ck1x.  CK1x won't work with 480's.

Good luck.

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