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ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« on: April 17, 2018, 01:04:25 PM »
Figure since I had both sources we'd have a little Pepsi challenge!

JBell's source is:

Microtech Gefell M20 > Nbob KCY> Naiant PFA (60V) > Sound Devices Mixpre-6

My source is:

Neumann ak40 > Nick mod lc3 > Naiant PFA > Sound Devices MixPre-6


Both sources 24/48, onstage, dfc, din on same stand on a vark bar so inches apart.  I had to invert the phase on the m20 source (see my other thread).  Other than that the only editing was a little gain on each.  I tried to get them as close as possible to each other.

I'll go ahead and say that I find very little difference between the two.  One perhaps has a little cleaner bass but I love both.  I can either post results in a few days or leave it blind and pm which is which.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/ytzvc59incfxufj/m20%20vs%20ak40%20comp.zip?dl=0
Neumann ak40 > Nick mod lc3 > Naiant PFA or km140 > Sound Devices MixPre-6

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 04:56:31 PM »
Add a poll??
Microtech Gefell M20's> Nbob KCY> Naiant PFA(60V)> Sound Devices Mixpre-6

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2018, 05:18:30 PM »
Did one for preference.

edit: Jbell doesn't know which is his so I'm interested in what he thinks!
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 05:24:05 PM by Gordon »
Neumann ak40 > Nick mod lc3 > Naiant PFA or km140 > Sound Devices MixPre-6

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2018, 05:37:06 PM »
They both sound good and neither jumps out to me as being superior but  I am at work and listening on headphones. I will listen later with speakers etrc but you might consider adding another poll option "no preference" or such...
MK22's / MK41's / MK41v's (for sale) / AKG C480Bs+ck61, ck63, ck8 / Telefunken FET M60 Cards and Hypers  / DPA 4061's
KCY 250/5 and Nbob KCY (Nbob for sale) > naiant PFA or IPA or Nbox 
Mixpre-10t / Mixpre-6 / Sony M-10 / Tascam DR-100mkIII / d:vice

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2018, 05:47:07 PM »
done!  Hoped to make a second question as to which source is which but don't see a way.
Neumann ak40 > Nick mod lc3 > Naiant PFA or km140 > Sound Devices MixPre-6

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 06:25:14 PM »
I'll try to listen this evening!!  Thanks for putting this together Gordon.
Microtech Gefell M20's> Nbob KCY> Naiant PFA(60V)> Sound Devices Mixpre-6

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 09:21:15 PM »
Very slight preference for B. Just a hair cleaner to my ears, though both sources are quite pleasant for me.

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2018, 08:56:00 PM »
I also have a  slight preference for B but went with neutral. B seems a tocuh "smoother" but they both sound good
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 08:57:41 PM by rippleish20 »
MK22's / MK41's / MK41v's (for sale) / AKG C480Bs+ck61, ck63, ck8 / Telefunken FET M60 Cards and Hypers  / DPA 4061's
KCY 250/5 and Nbob KCY (Nbob for sale) > naiant PFA or IPA or Nbox 
Mixpre-10t / Mixpre-6 / Sony M-10 / Tascam DR-100mkIII / d:vice

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2018, 08:48:38 AM »
Gave it a listen!!  I don't know which source is mine and both sound great.  I voted neutral since they both sound great.  I agree with everyone on a very slight preference to B. 
« Last Edit: May 04, 2018, 08:18:09 PM by jbell »
Microtech Gefell M20's> Nbob KCY> Naiant PFA(60V)> Sound Devices Mixpre-6

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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2018, 02:19:09 PM »
Cool comp, thanks for posting it.  Will return tonight once I'm home to give a listen.
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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 11:48:32 PM »
I compared a clip of the same song from each source using ABX Comparator in foobar2000.  I preferred B (I picked it out in 7 out of 10 trials..."Probability that you were guessing: 17.2%").

I'd very much like to know which source is which.  PM me if it's not too much trouble!

Great comp by the way.  Both sound excellent...the difference here is very minor, in my opinion.
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Re: ak40 vs m20 Blind Comp
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2018, 08:39:57 AM »
Both sources sound awesome and I couldv'e easily picked neutral, but since it was a poll i wanted to pick one or the other! I picked A because of the slightly better low-end response :) And it seems that I'm the only one to choose A oddly enough lol 8)

I think source A is the MG's, and source B is the Neumanns!

Will yinz please let us know which is which?
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