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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #765 on: September 01, 2025, 08:48:39 PM »
I always record 48kHz/24-bit and usually adjust my levels to where the peaks almost clip. I also tested the mics and battery box with the PCM-D10 and there's no noise whatsoever. Using the build-in mics on the A10 also produces a low level of hiss.

I can stand corrected by more knowledgeable people on this but adjusting to where the volume peaks is likely the cause, particularly if its quieter shows you're taping. I usually aim for -12 to -10db in terms of levels. Pushing the input level too high can create the hiss, you shouldn't need to go higher than level 10-12 for regular amped shows.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #766 on: September 02, 2025, 02:32:37 AM »
The thing is I only use the A10 for louder shows. I just recorded an electronica artist on Friday and I stood directly in front of the left P.A. stack. The problem was that it was a decently loud volume and I recorded at level 10-11. The music was loud enough where at 11 the music would have started clipping. All I did was when I first loaded the file into a DAW, turning up the volume in-between songs (i.e. like the volume up/down buttons for my speakers) and I can hear that there's hiss. I can upload an example so you know what I'm referring to as well.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #767 on: September 02, 2025, 10:09:44 AM »
I don't know why this would be happening, as I haven't had the problem with my A10, but I'm also wondering why you say it sounds like a DAT recording, as those shouldn't have significant hiss either.
Has it been happening with all your mics?  Did it just start recently?

Your unit could have a problem. I recently had to replace mine because of other issues.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #768 on: September 02, 2025, 12:24:52 PM »
I always record 48kHz/24-bit and usually adjust my levels to where the peaks almost clip. I also tested the mics and battery box with the PCM-D10 and there's no noise whatsoever. Using the build-in mics on the A10 also produces a low level of hiss.

Sounds like something with the deck isn't right.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #769 on: September 02, 2025, 02:58:32 PM »
Have you tried recording some other line input source, like a CD player, or the headphone out of your phone maybe?


Could be a software problem, hardware problem or maybe just lint in there?


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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #770 on: September 03, 2025, 11:21:27 PM »
I think my A10 is just starting to bite the dust methinks :(. I cleaned the input jack, reset the device out of precaution, cleaned my SPSB-10 battery box, cleaned the male AUX jack on both the SP-SPSB-10 and the SP-CMC-4U's 3.5mm jack to remove any grime and the problem still seems to stem from the A10. I ran a show with my SP-CMC-4U > SPSB-10 setup into a DR-2d yesterday and there's nothing noticeable, even after standard normalization and EQ'ing. I also tried a quick line input source from my laptop (charger disconnected) to play a quick file... still hissy. And yes, I did test out turning off Bluetooth/NFC capability... ssssssss...

I bought the A10 when they were first coming back from being backordered and I think they were mass produced rather too fast. For instance, my play button is slightly askew out of the box; see attached. Pushing the button with my thumb and trying to forcibly rotate the button doesn't work. All in all, I've used the device virtually every week for three years straight. Maybe it's time to downgrade to an M10 for better reliability and not a potential planned obsolescence moment?


I don't know why this would be happening, as I haven't had the problem with my A10, but I'm also wondering why you say it sounds like a DAT recording, as those shouldn't have significant hiss either.
Has it been happening with all your mics?  Did it just start recently?

Your unit could have a problem. I recently had to replace mine because of other issues.

I don't think the hiss problem had a specific time where it began happening, but rather it became more apparent as time went on. I only say "DAT recording" as a comparison since we all know how DAT recordings always sound great when done right, but you can hear a low level of hiss because Digital Audio Tapes are still magnetic cassette tapes.

My hiss level isn't the worst thing in the world and of course could be worse, but the problem arises if I want to do any kind of EQ'ing or just standard normalization to -0.0dB, because all of that underlying noise then gets amplified to the point of "Once you notice it, it's all you hear". It gets even more noticeable when imported in a spectrograph.

I've attached a sample of a recording I did on Friday (29 August). The only thing I've done is normalize the file to -0.0dB, which shouldn't be an issue. Take a listen during the song and of course after the song when it ends @ ~03:06.25: https://mega.nz/file/FflQibhC#UavXgjIaTLChNIdlXgfr33cavLa_ZUSvt4pKCdvxvjQ
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #771 on: September 04, 2025, 04:18:16 AM »
Did you ever use DAT?  DAT uses PCM digital encoding, just like the A10 (and I assume all solid state recorders), so it shouldn't have any inherent hiss like a cassette tape does when you turn it up high in quiet passages.  The only way I can even think of that it could be different (if working properly) is that it would be possible to have recorded a tiny bit of noise from the recorder mechanism, but really I can't imagine that happening.  A DAT deck could have a problem with the input or output jacks, or they could be made cheaply, possibly resulting in noise, but that could also happen in a SS recorder.  I recorded with DAT for 10 years and don't remember ever hearing any hiss, even when playing very quiet passages at high volume.

Anyway though, I really like using the A10 for the most part - mostly because it's so small, and being able to control with your phone is so nice.  But i think it's rather cheaply made as far as material quality and possibly internal mechanisms as well.  After about a year and a half of use, the bluetooth on my unit completely stopped working, so I had to learn how to use it with the tiny buttons and tiny screen.  Then after another 6 months or so the buttons started acting up; sometimes I would have to press record several times to get it to start, and same thing with adjusting the levels.  It got gradually worse until it was nearly unusable, so I bought a new one about a month ago.

Of course, my unit got VERY heavy use, as I go to about 200 shows per year.  The bluetooth problem could have been a fluke, but I really don't think that the buttons should stop working properly even after using them for nearly 100 concerts.   I think at some point my old unit had stopped turning on the red light when recording, because when I started on the new one I was surprised to see it lit. I remember nulldogmas had a problem with his where the display screen stopped working, though I think it eventually started working again. And someone else had some kind of issue where using it with a certain battery box caused one of the channels to stop working, which is just bizarre.

My new one is a tough to actually connect to my computer, because the USB slider usually doesn't lock in place, making me have to awkwardly hold the slider very tightly to plug it in.  I thought about returning it for that, but nulldogmas told me that his unit never locked in place and he didn't think that was an intended feature.  I really think it is supposed to lock and he got a unit that was slightly defective.  I decided it would be too much trouble to return mine though, and I didn't want to have to go back to using my old Tascam without bluetooth for weeks while it got sorted out.

Anyway, for anyone considering getting an A10, I definitely recommend it for ease of use, stealthability, and (internal rechargeable) battery life.  It works great until something breaks, but IMO much more likely to happen than it should be.  I also think it has a design flaw in that the control lock is on the same switch as the power, which once caused me to accidentally turn off my recorder and miss a minute before I could get it recording again.  Of course that wouldn't have been an issue if I had been using the bluetooth.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #772 on: September 04, 2025, 06:32:29 AM »
I remember nulldogmas had a problem with his where the display screen stopped working, though I think it eventually started working again.

Nope, that wasn't me.

My new one is a tough to actually connect to my computer, because the USB slider usually doesn't lock in place, making me have to awkwardly hold the slider very tightly to plug it in.  I thought about returning it for that, but nulldogmas told me that his unit never locked in place and he didn't think that was an intended feature.  I really think it is supposed to lock and he got a unit that was slightly defective.

I have two A10s, and they both work the same way: The USB slider clicks into place somewhat when fully extended, but it doesn't "lock." If I'm plugging the device into a USB port, I'll always hold the slider to ensure that it doesn't retract — I've never found anything awkward about this.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #773 on: September 04, 2025, 07:23:30 AM »
The relative self noise of the A10 can be seen in the Avisoft chart - with a DAT machine slightly above it.  Slightly.  But of course their preamp noise levels varied model to model too. 

https://avisoft.com/recorder-tests/

The A!0, in terms of self noise, is somewhat below contemporary standards, but should be no disaster unless recording a mandolin at a distance...

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #774 on: September 05, 2025, 02:21:55 AM »
I remember nulldogmas had a problem with his where the display screen stopped working, though I think it eventually started working again.

Nope, that wasn't me.

My new one is a tough to actually connect to my computer, because the USB slider usually doesn't lock in place, making me have to awkwardly hold the slider very tightly to plug it in.  I thought about returning it for that, but nulldogmas told me that his unit never locked in place and he didn't think that was an intended feature.  I really think it is supposed to lock and he got a unit that was slightly defective.

I have two A10s, and they both work the same way: The USB slider clicks into place somewhat when fully extended, but it doesn't "lock." If I'm plugging the device into a USB port, I'll always hold the slider to ensure that it doesn't retract — I've never found anything awkward about this.

Huh, did you have the problem with another recorder? Or maybe I am remembering someone else.

On my new one, the USB port doesn't even click into place. It is much more difficult to connect to my laptop than my old one was.



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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #778 on: September 07, 2025, 05:59:52 PM »
I also use a USB extension cable to charge the A10. Don't want to chance damaging the USB port which seems rather fragile.

Access to files is so slow through the Sony via USB that I always take out the microSD card and use a microSD -> SD adapter to access the files via a laptop.

There was one instance where during recording, the A10 thought it was full and stopped recording. Had to restart the device to be able to restart recording, and a few songs were not recorded in the meantime. That was using the device's internal memory recording to 24/96. It hadn't been formatted since a couple recordings prior to that, I'm not sure if it got confused or what, there was still plenty of free space available.

Now I always use a Sandisk Extreme PRO microSD card and format it on the device before every recording to minimize the chance of that happening again.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #779 on: September 07, 2025, 07:08:25 PM »
I also use a USB extension cable to charge the A10. Don't want to chance damaging the USB port which seems rather fragile.

Access to files is so slow through the Sony via USB that I always take out the microSD card and use a microSD -> SD adapter to access the files via a laptop.

There was one instance where during recording, the A10 thought it was full and stopped recording. Had to restart the device to be able to restart recording, and a few songs were not recorded in the meantime. That was using the device's internal memory recording to 24/96. It hadn't been formatted since a couple recordings prior to that, I'm not sure if it got confused or what, there was still plenty of free space available.

Now I always use a Sandisk Extreme PRO microSD card and format it on the device before every recording to minimize the chance of that happening again.

It’s also a good idea after downloading recorded files from the internal memory to always format it rather than simply trashing the contents.
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