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Offline vantheman

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Pick Apart My Mastering
« on: December 03, 2019, 06:20:24 PM »
Hi folks, newbie taper here trying to make the most of my Shure MV88/iPhone rig. Was over in Ireland a couple weeks ago and caught a couple of my favorite artists in a tiny venue. I was in the last row of about 20, roughly ear level with the speakers and right next to the soundboard. I taped the mic to the back wall and just let it go. Always recording raw midside.

I tend to record acoustic shows, and I've lately become a huge fan of the "parallel" compression method explained here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=137594.0

Here's a track that I mastered but did not apply any EQ. I tried to pick one that has a little bit of everything they were doing that night. It kinda sounds to me like the vocals could use some work, but don't know what to do or what else might be needed. Overall I'm pretty happy with it, but I want to take my mastering skills to the next level. Oh, and I'm using Audacity currently. I bought a license for Izotope RX7 but I'm on macOS Catalina and will have to wait until they support it.

Anybody want to take a quick listen and let me know what you think?

Mastered with some cleanup in Izotope RX7, parallel compression and gain added in Audacity
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5sjiyazv8ky4pom/08.mp3?dl=0

Unmastered basic stereo mix from raw mid side file
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cep712ukywoh0q1/raw.mp3?dl=0
« Last Edit: December 10, 2019, 06:02:25 PM by vantheman »
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2019, 06:22:26 PM »
It would be helpful if you could post the "unmastered" track for comparison, so we can hear what it sounds like raw.
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2019, 06:23:28 PM »
I can do that. Do you want me to give you a processed stereo track with no other edits?
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2019, 06:36:39 PM »
Here's the original. It's a stereo track processed from the raw midside recording. All I did was drop the sides by 3db to narrow the stereo image slightly, as I did this on the mastered track as well:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cep712ukywoh0q1/raw.mp3?dl=0
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 06:42:08 PM by vantheman »
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2019, 09:04:53 AM »
I like both version, the difference is little. Maybe I prefer original version, the edited version sounds to me too high in treble (I am listening on headphones). But I don't have a good hearing. Better make your choice. Adjust the same volume and switch the versions during playback.

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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2019, 11:28:25 AM »
Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like I’m not wildly off track haha. I’ve been super impressed by the Shure MV88, and so far I’m really enjoying taping certain shows that would otherwise be lost to the ether. I’d be tempted to start thinking about upgrading my rig, but this little mic allows me to do things that would be much harder to get away with using another rig, mounting the mic to the wall in this case.
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2019, 12:00:24 PM »
With an upgraded stealth rig you could still get all of those shows.  Lots of us on here are doing that. 

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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2019, 02:02:08 PM »
With an upgraded stealth rig you could still get all of those shows.  Lots of us on here are doing that.

What should I be looking at for super stealth upgrades? I'd prefer not to go with binaural mics at this stage...
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2019, 05:57:24 PM »
With an upgraded stealth rig you could still get all of those shows.  Lots of us on here are doing that.

What should I be looking at for super stealth upgrades? I'd prefer not to go with binaural mics at this stage...

Probably something like DPA 4060 or 4061 and a DPA dvice
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2019, 08:43:47 PM »
the MV88 will pull fine recordings for you. Sure, you can always upgrade - but the MV88 is a pretty solid little device.

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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2019, 09:58:56 PM »
With an upgraded stealth rig you could still get all of those shows.  Lots of us on here are doing that.

What should I be looking at for super stealth upgrades? I'd prefer not to go with binaural mics at this stage...

Probably something like DPA 4060 or 4061 and a DPA dvice

Those are omni/binaural, no?

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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2019, 11:23:20 AM »
With an upgraded stealth rig you could still get all of those shows.  Lots of us on here are doing that.

What should I be looking at for super stealth upgrades? I'd prefer not to go with binaural mics at this stage...

A rig of Schoeps MK4/41 caps, actives, BabyNBox and a Sony A10/M10, Roland R-09 or Tascam DR-2D would be my go-to super stealth rig.   

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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2019, 09:42:31 PM »
With an upgraded stealth rig you could still get all of those shows.  Lots of us on here are doing that.

What should I be looking at for super stealth upgrades? I'd prefer not to go with binaural mics at this stage...

Probably something like DPA 4060 or 4061 and a DPA dvice

Those are omni/binaural, no?

They are omni-directional microphones. Binaural is a technique where you need to put a solid object between the caps (usually your head).

If you don't want omni's (I prefer them in more stealth situations, especially if you mostly go to GA shows), DPA also makes some small card options. I have the DPA 4080's and they are pretty nice.
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2019, 06:01:01 AM »
Whether to upgrade mics it depends on what you want to improve and what you like. I am recording very little, but I see that my assessment of recordings is changing. I perceive slowly more and more aspects that I was not aware of before. I think the best is to record, listen to other recordings and compare (there are many recordings on LMA). After, it is easy to decide whether you want to upgrade or not.

Schoeps actives is dream setup. Dpa are also great mics.  If you are taping occasional you can try cheaper gear too. Sometimes it may also be better to learn with cheaper rig how to handle it. Any mistake doesn't hurt so much. A lot of people including me are using Chris Church's mics or Audio technica electrets as starter. When you decide to upgrade your iphone rig you also need to get a preamp and recorder (or recorder and battery box). You can find a lot of information about mics, preamps and recorders here in the taperssection.
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Re: Pick Apart My Mastering
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2019, 12:21:07 PM »
Whether to upgrade mics it depends on what you want to improve and what you like. I am recording very little, but I see that my assessment of recordings is changing. I perceive slowly more and more aspects that I was not aware of before. I think the best is to record, listen to other recordings and compare (there are many recordings on LMA). After, it is easy to decide whether you want to upgrade or not.

Schoeps actives is dream setup. Dpa are also great mics.  If you are taping occasional you can try cheaper gear too. Sometimes it may also be better to learn with cheaper rig how to handle it. Any mistake doesn't hurt so much. A lot of people including me are using Chris Church's mics or Audio technica electrets as starter. When you decide to upgrade your iphone rig you also need to get a preamp and recorder (or recorder and battery box). You can find a lot of information about mics, preamps and recorders here in the taperssection.

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