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Schoeps MSTC-3???
« on: March 28, 2020, 02:50:14 PM »
There's an Ebay listing for a "Schoeps MSTC-3" ORTF mic system at a lovely starting price

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schoeps-MSTC-3-Stereo-Microphone-w-5-pin-to-3-pin-XLR-adapter-MSTC/402180429972?hash=item5da3d25894:g:b60AAOSw4O1eePDw 

but I can find no info on such a device. All searches lead to MSTC-64. Anyone have any info on this MSTC-3??

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Re: Schoeps MSTC-3???
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2020, 03:12:15 PM »
12V T-powered, most likely.

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Re: Schoeps MSTC-3???
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2020, 04:51:31 PM »
No, it's 12-Volt phantom powered. It could be modified for 48-Volt phantom powering if necessary--although 12-Volt phantom is twice as power-efficient (4 mA x 48 V = 192 mW; 8 mA x 12 V = 96 mW).

I have one of these from the very first batch ever made. I've used it hundreds of times, including with speech cardioid capsules for documentary recording, and once even with supercardioid capsules for a special situation. I intend to keep that microphone for the rest of my life, however long or short that may prove to be.

Mine's from 1977, though, so assuming that the capsules in the auction are of a similar age, there's a problem. Normally I would very strongly advise anyone to send them back to the factory for checkup and any needed repair, unless you knew for a fact that they'd already been serviced fairly recently (the factory can tell you if you give them the serial numbers). But such service will surely be expensive. Schoeps assesses flat-rate service fees based on the age of the item(s); equipment that's >20 years old is considered "vintage" and falls into their highest-cost tier--and this equipment is over 40 years old.

You might wish to send the amplifier back as well, since there have been circuit updates since then, mostly to help prevent RFI (although this model will never have the degree of "RF-proof-ness" that a CMC 6, CMC 1 or CMIT has). But definitely definitely definitely write to mailbox@schoeps.de before doing so! They may no longer maintain this model, considering its age and the fact that another model (the MSTC 6) has replaced it. (And no, it can't be converted in a cost-effective way.)

Going one level deeper in--the two MK 4 capsules that come with an MSTC are always a matched pair, which makes sense for a near-coincident recording method. However, if either capsule were to require much more than simple cleaning and "small parts replaced" as they call it, it might well have to be completely rebuilt due to its age. Then you would presumably want to have both capsules rebuilt so that their specifications would match. And Schoeps might well decline to perform such a repair, since it would almost certainly cost more than 30% the cost of a new pair of capsules (30% of replacement cost is their threshold of calling a repair "economically unviable"). So please consider that.

BUT if you do find a way around these problems, I think you would like the MSTC very much.

--best regards

P.S.: muj, there was indeed a T-powered version of the MSTC called the MSTC 4--, now discontinued. Since T-powering was mainly a film-and-video-sound thing, and ORTF stereo recording isn't strictly mono compatible, not a lot of that particular model was ever sold; film and video people prefer M/S, which gives the post-production people more options, plus for booming a mike, the preference would be to put just the capsules on the end of the boom, and to use active cables to connect them to their amplifiers. (By the way, MSTC amplifiers unfortunately don't support Colette active accessories.)
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Re: Schoeps MSTC-3???
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2020, 12:58:38 PM »
As always, thanks a ton for sharing your knowledge.

Fran

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Re: Schoeps MSTC-3???
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2020, 09:22:55 PM »
Thanks for your kind words. -- At the same time, there's an auction for a different type of Schoeps stereo microphone that I would be strongly tempted to buy if I were still recording orchestras, etc., on https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schoeps-KFM6-Stereo-Microphone/114145047047 . I heard a recording that Jerry Bruck made of the Mahler Ninth Symphony with a similar (though somewhat smaller) Schoeps sphere; it had every good quality that I've ever hoped to achieve in an orchestral recording. Completely natural sound quality, all the depth and spaciousness of a spaced-omni recording (because it is one), but with a completely stable stereo image at the same time. I was kind of awestruck.

The thing is, I rarely record orchestras any more--and a mike this big would block sight lines, unless I could suspend it on a cable at some elevation (where I would want it to be anyway for best balance). So if I bought the mike, the chances that I would get to use it would be very small, unless my professional life takes a highly unexpected turn.
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Re: Schoeps MSTC-3???
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2020, 11:44:33 AM »
"..once even with supercardioid capsules for a special situation"

Is equivalent to a well-tied fly expertly cast over the shadowy ledge of this little pond.  This old bass can't resist taking a nibble..
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Re: Schoeps MSTC-3???
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2020, 05:01:10 PM »
Could be. The recording (made for Minnesota Public Radio back in the day) was a performance of J.S. Bach's St. Matthew Passion, which has two orchestras and choruses side by side. I used MK 41 capsules to ... what did the bra commercials used to say? "Separate and gently lift and shape" the two halves of the stereo image.
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Re: Schoeps MSTC-3???
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2020, 07:33:16 PM »
A nicely descriptive image.  Fashion evolves.. although lift and shape is probably eternal, these days it's more about cramming-together. A pair of open-cardioids perhaps.
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