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Two new Rycote shock mounts
« on: April 19, 2020, 07:50:22 PM »
I just came across these two new Rycote mounts:

041138 InVision On-Camera

At $39.95 it is by far the cheapest mount they sell.  The hot shoe mount with integrated 3/8"-16 female thread is quite clever.
The big unknown is what the shore hardness is compared to the modular Duo-Lyres, because this one is not specified.
If you are using a horizontal round stereo bar such as popular Delrin or 3D-printed ones, this mount would be perfect as an alternative to the much more expensive INV-HG III.


041110 INV-6 SOFT

This mount is a standard INV-6 base, but using 62-shore lyres, instead of the 72-shore that come with the standard INV-6.
Besides the Schoeps CMC 1 and Sennheiser MKH 8000 it is intended for, it would be perfect for the Line Audio mics which have similar low mass.
This same product was available before, but only as special order through a Rycote distributor.  You could also replace the lyres yourself on any INV bases you own already.
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Re: Two new Rycote shock mounts
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2020, 10:11:31 PM »
041138 InVision On-Camera
Cool! For $40 each, I might have to get 2 or 4 of those!?
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Re: Two new Rycote shock mounts
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2020, 11:56:07 PM »
041138 InVision On-Camera
Cool! For $40 each, I might have to get 2 or 4 of those!?

I'm really eager to try one too the one I ordered.
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Re: Two new Rycote shock mounts
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2020, 09:01:22 PM »
041138 InVision On-Camera
Cool! For $40 each, I might have to get 2 or 4 of those!?

I'm really eager to try one too the one I ordered.

 ;D

If you pick one up, please let us know what the stiffness / compliance is like.  I just sent an email to Rycote asking as well.  I expect the 041138 may perform identically to the Duo-Lyre 68, especially since the product photos show it on a boom pole. If that were the case though, then I don't know why this new mount exists, as they could continue to sell the very popular INV-III HG, and also the InVision Video Hot Shoe.

If I had my way, this new mount would be softer / more compliant than the Duo-Lyre 68, more like you find in a pair of single 72-shore Lyres.  That would be the most useful addition to the product lineup, IMHO.  Maybe it could be called a Duo-Lyre 62.

BTW, if anyone out there is confused (as I was for a long time) how a 68-shore Duo-Lyre is stiffer than a pair of 72-shore Lyres, check out this thread.
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Re: Two new Rycote shock mounts
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2020, 11:12:52 PM »
Thanks for the info.  Rycote should put you on the payroll!
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Re: Two new Rycote shock mounts
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2020, 07:13:45 AM »
Here is the correspondence so far of my inquiry to Rycote support regarding the InVision On-Camera.

My initial email:
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Hello,

I have just come across the new 041138 InVison On-Camera mount. I would like to know what the compliance of this particular Duo-Lyre is compared to the modular Duo-Lyre 68 and Duo-Lyre 72.

I also am curious to know which is the correct progression of greatest to least compliance below, and where the new 041138 fits in if it is different than the existing modular units. This is based on anecdotal experience from myself and others I have spoken to who have used your excellent products, though I have not tried the full range. For single lyres, I am assuming a pair being used on one mic.
Single Lyre 62 > Single Lyre 72 > Single Lyre 82 > Duo-Lyre 68 > Duo-Lyre 72

or...

Single Lyre 62 > Single Lyre 72 > Duo-Lyre 68 > Single Lyre 82 > Duo-Lyre 72

Thank you!

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Hello,

thanks for contacting us. I try to explain in a few words.
The key difference between the two mounts is whether or not you’ll be fitting any form of windscreen on the mics. The new InVision Camera mount is designed to support the mic from the rear, and allows weight to be added in the form of slip-on windscreen solutions (heavier than foams).

The Single Lyres are a pure 'cradle' suspension with more complaint Lyres®, and can only handle a foam gag.
The INV 7HG MkIII + Camera mount is slightly stiffer.
So ultimately, it depends on how you’re planning to use your mics.

I hope that answers your question - if you need anything else please give me a shout.

Cheers,

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Thank you for your reply.  To clarify: Is it true that the Duo-Lyre used for the InVision On-Camera is less stiff than the Duo-Lyre used for the INV7 HG MkIII?

The use case I am interested in is due this mount to hold a main stereo pair of mics in a round-stock 20mm bar, atop a stand for choral / orchestral recording.  The INV-HG Mk III is often used for this, but for a pair of lightweight mics such as the MKH 8000 series or the Line Audio range, the 68 shore Duo-Lyre is too stiff.

I have found that an INV-6 or INV-7 with the standard 72-shore single Lyres gives much better isolation for this application, but the new InVision On-Camera seems to be a more elegant solution if its stiffness is in fact less than the other Duo-Lyres.

I appreciate your patience with my questions. 


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I´ll need to find out.
Will keep you posted.
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Re: Two new Rycote shock mounts
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2020, 03:54:38 PM »
Update: The ever-helpful Simon Davies added his insight.  TL;DR - the Duo-Lyre on the new InVision On-Camera is identical to that on the INV-HG mkIII with the 68-shore Duo-Lyre.

My takeaway is: Why would anyone buy the INV-HG mkIII at $70, when you can have almost the exact same thing, plus the addition of a hot shoe mount for with the $40 InVision On-Camera?  The only thing I can see that favors the INV-HG mkIII is if you need the mount to be modular, so you can swap out Lyres for different applications.


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I'll jump in;

> Is it true that the Duo-Lyre used for the InVision On-Camera is less stiff than the Duo-Lyre used for the INV7 HG MkIII?

The Duo-Lyre used for the INV-7 HG MkIII & InVision Video are identical, both 68-shore hardness.

> The use case I am interested in is due this mount to hold a main stereo pair of mics in a round-stock 20mm bar, atop a stand for choral / orchestral recording. The INV-HG Mk III is often used for this, but for a pair of lightweight mics such as the MKH 8000 series or the Line Audio range, the 68 shore Duo-Lyre is too stiff.

For lightweight mics like the MKH 8000 series or Line Audio CM3, the Duo-Lyre really isn't going to provide the needed isolation. This isn't due to the shore hardness, its down to the side thickness of the Lyres. The design of the Duo-Lyre is wider that a universal Lyre, as it needs to provide support on mics held at the rear (with foam gags or Softies). So even though its softer at 68-shore than a Universal Lyre at 72-shore, it feels stiffer.  The good news is, the Universal Lyres will fit into the bar of the INV-7 HG MkIII or InVision Video, to replace the Duo-Lyre. For the shorter, lightweight 8000 series or CM3, I'd recommend the 62-shore Universal Lyres. The 62-shore Lyres can also be bought as the "INV-6 Soft" InVision.

> I have found that an INV-6 or INV-7 with the standard 72-shore single Lyres gives much better isolation for this application, but the new InVision On-Camera seems to be a more elegant solution if its stiffness is in fact less than the other Duo-Lyres.

Sadly, the only shock mount we cannot switch the Lyres on, is the InVision On-Camera (INV-OC). This is because the clip & Lyres are moulded as one piece in 72-shore. I designed the INV-OC recently, so I'll have a look at whether a future version of the InVision INV-6 & INV-7 could use some of the parts. However, this won't happen overnight I'm afraid.

I hope that all makes some sense - if not please don't hesitate to give me a shout direct.

Cheers,
Simon
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Re: Two new Rycote shock mounts
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2020, 04:19:17 PM »
That on camera mount would be perfect to use with a stereo mic like the 8022 for a nice, all in one setup for youtube. if only my M50 didn't have the 30 minute limit.
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