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Offline Karl

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6 channel recorder
« on: October 21, 2020, 02:08:01 PM »
Hi guys. I have been doing 2 track recordings for quite some time. Want to do more 5 or 6 channel recordings. Need feedback on a deck.

I am looking for something semi-portable.

$500 or less.

Ideally 5 or 6 XLR inputs with Phantom Power capability.

These look close to what I need: Marantz PMD-706 and Tascam 701-D

My portable rig:

AT853>Tascam DR100 mkii

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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 02:47:23 PM »
Scrounge up $75 more and get that Zoom F6 in the Yard Sale!
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 03:30:42 PM »
^ I'd do that.

Even less is Tascam DR680, an older design but an easy to operate solid performer.  Phantom on all 6 balanced inputs, 1-4 XLR, 5-6 TRS, also digital in/out which can be used to record a total of 8 channels.
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 06:54:26 PM »
Hi guys. I have been doing 2 track recordings for quite some time. Want to do more 5 or 6 channel recordings. Need feedback on a deck.

I am looking for something semi-portable.

$500 or less.

Ideally 5 or 6 XLR inputs with Phantom Power capability.

These look close to what I need: Marantz PMD-706 and Tascam 701-D

Tascam 701 only has 4 inputs (4 XLR w/ phantom or 2 XLR and 1/8" input).
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 08:31:22 PM »
I have two DR680's. For the price used, you can almost afford 2 at your budget (I place current market value of a mkI DR680 at $250-300). If you don't need super HQ pre-amps, it is solid. Foot print isn't too large. Easy to power from USB power banks (internal AA's) Gets my vote.
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2020, 10:01:52 AM »
Zoom F6? I record a lot of local orchestras. I dunno, thing just looks goofy.

If I can find DR-680's easy enough I will probably scoop one of those up.

Let's shift the conversation to 4 channel with 4 XLR inputs with Phantom. What are the best options for that? I would *like* super HQ pre-amps, but not a must-have.
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2020, 10:12:13 AM »
More options for 4 channels.

Zoom F4
Used Roland R44 (an Ode Mod'ed version for improved quieter preamps) these pop up in the yardsale
Several Tascams (would not expect far different preamps from DR680)
others..

Edit- Yes F6 has an odd form factor, yet folks seem to really like it.
F4 is a more typical form factor, basically a smaller F8
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2020, 10:17:27 AM »
4 channel - Tascam 70D as long as you are using approved media.
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2020, 05:02:09 PM »
You could probably find a Mixpre6 legacy version for $600-650!  If you want quality preamps you might want to look in that direction.  4 preamps and you can run an extra 2 channels through the 1/8 input.
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2020, 07:48:29 AM »
I'll throw in Panatrope's Second Law of Recording - the number of channels you need is one more than the number of channels you have.   So if you think you might need 6 channels, you probably shouldn't think of 4.

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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2020, 03:33:01 PM »
The more I look at these the more I get excited about the Tascam 701D. The nice pre-amps will be helpful when I record Orchestras. Looks like I can even find it used easily for about $300.

Thoughts on the 701D? Pros? Cons?

I'm confused about how many tracks it can record....can it do above 4 discrete tracks?
My portable rig:

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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2020, 04:16:30 PM »
The more I look at these the more I get excited about the Tascam 701D. The nice pre-amps will be helpful when I record Orchestras. Looks like I can even find it used easily for about $300.

Thoughts on the 701D? Pros? Cons?

I'm confused about how many tracks it can record....can it do above 4 discrete tracks?

only 4 plus mix tracks
the 701d and Zoom use about the same preamps
otherwise go with a first gen MixPre

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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2020, 04:22:07 PM »
With classical in mind, I was going to question how good the 701d preamps really are (not being intimately familiar with it). I fully trust darby's assessment. 

IME for classical (as compared to most taping discussed at TS) low noise is key, and much depends on the sensitivity and self-noise of the particular mics employed.
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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2020, 05:11:35 PM »
The more I look at these the more I get excited about the Tascam 701D. The nice pre-amps will be helpful when I record Orchestras. Looks like I can even find it used easily for about $300.

Thoughts on the 701D? Pros? Cons?

I'm confused about how many tracks it can record....can it do above 4 discrete tracks?

only 4 plus mix tracks
the 701d and Zoom use about the same preamps
otherwise go with a first gen MixPre

Like the Zoom H6?

As far as pre-amps go....you are saying 701d, Zoom use about the same pre-amps. Would 680mkii be in the same ballpark? Does anything in the sub-$500 blow those pre-amps out of the water? (I will look into the first gen MixPre's)
My portable rig:

AT853>Tascam DR100 mkii

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Re: 6 channel recorder
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2020, 06:11:16 PM »

Like the Zoom H6?

As far as pre-amps go....you are saying 701d, Zoom use about the same pre-amps. Would 680mkii be in the same ballpark? Does anything in the sub-$500 blow those pre-amps out of the water? (I will look into the first gen MixPre's)

NO... F6 or F8n are about the same as NEW gen Trashcan, I mean Tascam (701d/680mkii)
the older Zoom had issues with overloading the input stage
I did not like the limiters on the 701d, and have not used an 8n personally, but have heard good things about them
the Sound Devices are Class A preamps, but I didn't like the limiters on the MixPre gen i either compared to my USBPre2 or old 702t
that's why I went with MixPre gen ii that utilizes 32bit Float and NO LIMITERS
if you record orchestras you might like the ability to not have to ride your levels thru dynamic transitions
otherwise you will need to spend some $$$ on a proline Sound Devices (664/688/833/888/Scorpio) to get better preamps and limiters for 24bit

 

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