Topic: What Naks to use for Dead & Co at Barton Hall?

[ricky d]

Hi Guys

Old time taper (125 GD shows 1988-1995), first time on this forum.

So I got lucky and scored tickets for Dead and Company at Barton Hall next month.  From what I understand taping is allowed and I'm very seriously considering running an analog set up for nostalgia sake.  My D5 and D6 are still operational!!

I used to run Nak 300s and CP4s back in the day for the arenas and stadiums - did a few Metallica shows then too.  Results were mostly good all things considered, with a few average and some really awesome ones too.

Obviously, Barton Hall is small and notoriously bad for acoustics, soooooo I'm looking for help on what mics to go with.  I have both Nak 100s and 300s available, as well as CP4 shotguns.  Problem is I picked up the CP4s on ebay last year so haven't had the opportunity to try them yet.  So they're something of a gamble.  I also have a Rode NT4, if anyone thinks that's an option in this situation....

Any thoughts, suggestions, comments anyone could offer on this, I'm all ears (har har).

Thanks,
Rick

[fireonshakedwnstreet]

This is so cool!   

[datbrad]

It's the same rule of thumb as when you used those Naks back in the day. CP4s if they put tapers in the back behind the sbd, CP1s if the section is closer/FOB.
 My two D5s haven't had batteries in them since 1993 so my concern would be if the rubber rollers or drive belts have deteriorated over time.
Suggest you setup the rig in your listening room using batteries in the D5, put on Aja by Steely Dan or Moving Pictures by Rush and crank it up loud and record at least 30 minutes of sound. Warble effects of deteriorated drive belts/capstan rollers tend to occur as the take up reel becomes heavier. If you can't hear noticable wow and flutter creeping in towards the last 10 min or so, you should be good to go. Good luck !!!

[Gutbucket]

Obviously, Barton Hall is small [..snip]

Small is relative! From the Wikipedia entry-

"For a long time, Barton Hall was the largest unpillared room in existence. The interior of the building covers almost 2 acres (8,100 m2), and includes a 1/8 mile (200m) indoor track.[1]"

[ricky d]

The D-5 was serviced a couple years ago and all seems good, but will dust it off and run it in record to make sure everything else is working as it should.  Actually, buying blank cassettes is now becoming the issue.  Luckily i bought out the local Dollarama stores years ago and grabbed about 100 XLIIS tapes for a buck a piece....!

And yah, I guess Barton Hall isn't small exactly, but smaller than MSG and the other stadiums and sheds Dead and Co have been playing!  I did tape Furthur there in 2010 but had battery issues with the mics so only had one clear channel that night, which was too bad.  And at that time they let us tape from beside the sound board if I recall.  Not sure what the deal will be this time around but I'm guessing it will be at the back of the floor...

Thanks for the replies folks!

[rocksuitcase]

I'd go 300's with the capsules as datbrad said.   
Maybe also bring a digital rig as back-up? although, surely there will be other tapers.
I brought my D5 to a solid technician who has repaired all sorts of things for us, he wouldn't touch it.
Have FUN!!!

[ricky d]

Yes, I will likely take my digital set up along for back up as you say.  I'm just weighing the fun factor vs. running two set ups and potential problems.... we've all been there, right??!  I stopped actively taping about 10 years ago but picked it back up just before Covid.  I gotta admit I didn't miss it all that much... must be gettin old.  Har har.  But its still fun to come home and blast it through the home system.

Too bad my old taper friend packed up his 300s and moved away many years ago - those mics had seen (and nicely captured) some killer early 80s shows!!  I tried buying them off of him, but he couldn't part with the memories.  I get that.

[vantheman]

I love this project and hope it comes to fruition . I imagine you might be able to borrow/rent some gear from folks here who would like to see this happen.

[bonghitwillie]

bring out all your recorders and mics and make multiple recordings simultaneously. also do like i used to do for tape stock, record over old hissy unknown generation dead shows.

[fireonshakedwnstreet]

Guns all the way if it's OTS 

[morst]

taping is allowed


looking for help on what mics to go with

If your gear bag is not overloaded, then go with all of them, and use what seems right once you get there!?

[ricky d]

Well just to follow up on the Barton Hall show.  Ended up with the Nak 100s with the CP4 capsules as I wasn't confident in my battery set up for the 300s.  I was located just behind the board on the left hand side.  Not ideal but it worked out ok.  The D5 worked great and I got a very decent cassette master!  I also ran a Zoom H4N for a digital "back up" and that worked out pretty well too.  I didn't see any other tapers towards the back of the hall, although there were a half dozen stands FOB in the VIP section.  There is at least one version up on Internet Archive.  I'll do a closer analysis when I get some time next week, but for now I'm quite happy with the outcome overall.  Oh by the way, the show was a smoker - exceeded my expectations.  Hope they keep up this kind of momentum.

Thanks for the input guys.  Appreciate it. 

P.S.  I'll also be running the D5 from the lawn at Burgettstown, SPAC, and Deer Creek if anyone's looking for a patch!   

[billydee]

Well just to follow up on the Barton Hall show.  Ended up with the Nak 100s with the CP4 capsules as I wasn't confident in my battery set up for the 300s.  I was located just behind the board on the left hand side.  Not ideal but it worked out ok.  The D5 worked great and I got a very decent cassette master!  I also ran a Zoom H4N for a digital "back up" and that worked out pretty well too.  I didn't see any other tapers towards the back of the hall, although there were a half dozen stands FOB in the VIP section.  There is at least one version up on Internet Archive.  I'll do a closer analysis when I get some time next week, but for now I'm quite happy with the outcome overall.  Oh by the way, the show was a smoker - exceeded my expectations.  Hope they keep up this kind of momentum.

Thanks for the input guys.  Appreciate it. 

P.S.  I'll also be running the D5 from the lawn at Burgettstown, SPAC, and Deer Creek if anyone's looking for a patch!   

Old school rules, go analog! 

[rocksuitcase]

P.S.  I'll also be running the D5 from the lawn at Burgettstown, SPAC, and Deer Creek if anyone's looking for a patch!   

I am hoping to be taping at SPAC. For now I only have one lawn pass for both nights. I need 2-3 more tickets for each night in order to make it work for me and my crew.
We always make a nice section up there on the lawn. MUST be in front at doors.

[fireonshakedwnstreet]

That is so awesome! Can't wait to hear it!