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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #300 on: August 01, 2024, 02:49:59 AM »
Yes, good point and I agree.  Thanks for quantifying it.  To be clear, my speculation was about what those specs are measuring, not their accuracy.

Yes, I know what you meant. You mentioning the EIN just got me thinking about the validity of that spec sheet, that's all. I hadn't even looked at those numbers before because I'm not really in the market for another recorder right now.

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #301 on: August 05, 2024, 07:57:00 PM »
Is 5 volts pluginpower enough to skip battery box completely?
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #302 on: August 05, 2024, 07:58:01 PM »
I don’t know about the ca mics but it’s definitely enough for dpas

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #303 on: August 20, 2024, 03:54:03 PM »
PR-2 just arrived.  It's downright diminutive!

Plan to test run it at an amphitheater show this coming Mon night with a pair of DPA 4060 CORE.  Will play around with it a bit first of course.  Anyone record any music yet using 4060 or 4061?  Wondering about input gain setting, and presume 0dBu will be about right.

Other than the test run next Monday night, my initial goal is an easy to use stealth rig I can pass to a friend to run for a show in September while I'm out of town.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #304 on: August 20, 2024, 04:09:51 PM »
PR-2 just arrived.  It's downright diminutive!

Plan to test run it at an amphitheater show this coming Mon night with a pair of DPA 4060 CORE.  Will play around with it a bit first of course.  Anyone record any music yet using 4060 or 4061?  Wondering about input gain setting, and presume 0dBu will be about right.

Other than the test run next Monday night, my initial goal is an easy to use stealth rig I can pass to a friend to run for a show in September while I'm out of town.

Gut how are you dpas terminated ? is there a micro to locking stereo 1/8" Y cable ?
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #305 on: August 20, 2024, 04:14:39 PM »
PR-2 just arrived.  It's downright diminutive!

Plan to test run it at an amphitheater show this coming Mon night with a pair of DPA 4060 CORE.  Will play around with it a bit first of course.  Anyone record any music yet using 4060 or 4061?  Wondering about input gain setting, and presume 0dBu will be about right.

Other than the test run next Monday night, my initial goal is an easy to use stealth rig I can pass to a friend to run for a show in September while I'm out of town.


Gut how are you dpas terminated ? is there a micro to locking stereo 1/8" Y cable ?

I bought a microdot to locking 1/8” connector. I’ll try it out when the pr2 gets back to me (loaned it to a friend for testing)

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #306 on: August 20, 2024, 04:16:36 PM »
PR-2 just arrived.  It's downright diminutive!

Plan to test run it at an amphitheater show this coming Mon night with a pair of DPA 4060 CORE.  Will play around with it a bit first of course.  Anyone record any music yet using 4060 or 4061?  Wondering about input gain setting, and presume 0dBu will be about right.

Other than the test run next Monday night, my initial goal is an easy to use stealth rig I can pass to a friend to run for a show in September while I'm out of town.


Gut how are you dpas terminated ? is there a micro to locking stereo 1/8" Y cable ?

I bought a microdot to locking 1/8” connector. I’ll try it out when the pr2 gets back to me (loaned it to a friend for testing)

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #307 on: August 20, 2024, 04:36:13 PM »
Mircodot.  This Monday I'll use one of a handful of DIY 2Xmicrodot>stereo-miniplug Y adapters I made many years ago (non-locking).   But just ordered a locking stereo-mini Y off ebay for $11, due to arrive before I depart in September, which I plan to use instead for the newb taper friend I'm sending in my place, just to eliminate that potential point of failure.

Monday amphitheater show is a Lee Fields (soul) opener / Charlie Crockett (country) main act. 
Upcoming theater show in Sept is BEAT (Belew, Vai, Levin, Carey) doing 80's King Crimson.

I could alternately run 4061 legacy if a better match.  4060 is fully capable of handling the SPL of these shows, but I'm not sure what the optimal gain staging with the PR2 will be yet.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #308 on: August 20, 2024, 10:18:07 PM »
Excited to hear how the DPA > PR2 setup works!

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #309 on: August 20, 2024, 11:25:25 PM »
DPA 4060 > Deity PR2 would be microscopically small. There's a certain elegance to how small this rig is.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #310 on: August 21, 2024, 08:11:02 AM »
I have found after 4 shows and about 12 or 13 hours of recording...

that the metering of the PR-2 is somewhere around 5dB COLDER than actual
when reading the display the bars are WHITE until about -16dB
when they change to YELLOW until about -10dB
after that they go to RED up to 0dB

I am shooting for peaks around -10dB now
and get peaks around -5dB when opening up with Amadeus Pro on a Mac

I set my input to -3dB using an AERCO MP-2 running BOTH the PR-2 and a Sony A10
I use the A10 to judge the input on the PR-2 relevant to the AERCO and as a backup
the A10 is running at 3 (or 2 if I'm really close the source) on the input which does not leave a lot of headroom
having the ability to go down to -12dB on the PR-2 is nice

I also ran it once with a Baby NBox recording close to the source
and think running about +9dB was about right to avoid go over -10dB on the display
I think in MOST situations I would go +12 or even 15dB

I know my tests are not relevant to most PR-2 users here and am going to try it with some DPA 4061s when I get the "Y" cord

EDIT:
I am using Energizer Ultimate Lithium "AA"s and the battery display still reads FULL after 13 hours
I like the form factor and find the menu fairly simple to navigate
it has a 4 second countdown on the RECORD button for both starting and stopping to avoid accidents
I DO NOT use the 3 click LOCK feature
« Last Edit: August 21, 2024, 09:05:09 AM by darby »

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #311 on: August 21, 2024, 11:34:48 AM »
I have found after 4 shows and about 12 or 13 hours of recording...

that the metering of the PR-2 is somewhere around 5dB COLDER than actual
when reading the display the bars are WHITE until about -16dB
when they change to YELLOW until about -10dB
after that they go to RED up to 0dB

I am shooting for peaks around -10dB now
and get peaks around -5dB when opening up with Amadeus Pro on a Mac

I set my input to -3dB using an AERCO MP-2 running BOTH the PR-2 and a Sony A10
I use the A10 to judge the input on the PR-2 relevant to the AERCO and as a backup
the A10 is running at 3 (or 2 if I'm really close the source) on the input which does not leave a lot of headroom
having the ability to go down to -12dB on the PR-2 is nice

I also ran it once with a Baby NBox recording close to the source
and think running about +9dB was about right to avoid go over -10dB on the display
I think in MOST situations I would go +12 or even 15dB

I know my tests are not relevant to most PR-2 users here and am going to try it with some DPA 4061s when I get the "Y" cord

EDIT:
I am using Energizer Ultimate Lithium "AA"s and the battery display still reads FULL after 13 hours
I like the form factor and find the menu fairly simple to navigate
it has a 4 second countdown on the RECORD button for both starting and stopping to avoid accidents
I DO NOT use the 3 click LOCK feature

Nice!!

For me, I am impressed with the PIP. I have  run CA 11, CA 14 and AT 853's without the usual preamp, and the sound is really excellent. I do use the 3 click lock and like it . Battery life is fantastic so no need for an external battery. The screen really is easy to read, and the app works great although I do not rely on it. Great setup for any "challenging" venues as it is super compact. I do not see using the 32bit float sadly as it is mono, but the convenience and portability make this a great go to right now.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #312 on: August 21, 2024, 12:10:37 PM »
Nice.  We're starting to get some real usage data.  My brief initial assessment last night parallels darby's and dallman's comments.

the metering of the PR-2 is somewhere around 5dB COLDER than actual

That probably reflects the metering being VU rather than a peak meter. Would be preferable if the PR2 displayed both as is common on other gear, combining the VU solid bar with a peak-line that has some some momentary held delay to it.

For folks who may not be aware, VU metering is "averaged" with a 300ms rise time that makes it more reflective of human hearing and traditional analog meters, but it does not indicate short transient peaks.  The actual difference in indicated level between what a UV and peak meter display is going to vary with the nature of the signal and how fast it changes.  In actual use, like Darby mentions, we'll just need to get a good feel for where we want the VU meter to top out, along with the knowledge that the actual peaks (dBfs) will be higher.. How much higher depends on how dynamic the music is.  When recording on stage near the drum kit the peaks will be significantly higher than what the VU meter indicates, while when recording from far in back where its way less "peaky", the difference between the two will be significantly smaller.  With an unchanging sine-wave input, both UV and a peak meter should indicate the same level.

In my initial playing around with the recorder last night, it seems easy enough to use.  A long press of the record wheel button (along with a 3 second count down indicator on the display) starts or stops recording, unless the unit is set to start recording immediately upon power up, or upon wireless timecode sync. 

A quick press of the record wheel button enters the menu, and the entry point is the input gain setting.  If not locked, tapers will need to be careful not to accidentally double [edit] triple press the record wheel while recording (with no time limit imposed between presses) as the second press selects GAIN, and the third selects the LEFT channel for gain adjustment (when in stereo mode).  Because there is no time limitation between those button presses, it would not be that unlikely to happen in pocket, and any inadvertent turn of the record wheel button after that will change the left channel gain setting.  To exit the menu requires a single quick press of the power button which doubles as the "back".  For that reason stealthers will want to engage the hold function which can be engaged manually, or set to engage automatically after 15sec or 1min.  A triple click of the power button (in quick succession) locks/unlocks hold.

Similarly to what colagol mentioned about the Sidus control app, there is currently no way to link the gain adjustment of the two channels.  Left and right channel gain must be adjusted separately. 

IMO, neither the metering, the unlinked gains, nor the danger of accidentally changing the left channel gain are deal killers.  Like others have mentioned, I plan to figure out what gain to run based on the mics I'm using, pretty much leave the gain untouched from there, and engage hold as soon as I start recording.  However, it would be nice if a future firmware update addressed those things and I see no reason why they could not be updated via firmware.

The 5.6.5 Power supply adjustment of microphone section of the user manual states:
This mode allows you to manually switch the driving voltage of the microphone and select the microphone input option according to the type you need.

However, in the actual menu I find no option for switching the mic powering voltage.  It just allows me to switch between line-in / mic-in.  I've not yet measured the mic powering voltage.  So far, I've only played around with it using the included mic. Will need to dig out a microdot Y adapter to try it with the DPAs.

[edit to clarify that 3 subsequent clicks of the record wheel, without any time restriction between clicks, enters gain change mode]
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #313 on: August 21, 2024, 12:12:03 PM »
Link to some bench measurements of the PR-2 over at Audio Science Review, done by jerryfreak from a music taping perspective, which usefully includes comparison to Tascam DR2d: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/deity-pr-2-portable-audio-recorder.56098/
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #314 on: August 22, 2024, 09:55:46 AM »
Found one of my microdot Y adapters and did a quick initial test of DPA 4060 > PR-2 last night.  It works.  Plugged in headphones and playback directly from the PR-2 sounds good.  Playback control is rudimentary, but functional.

Tonight I plan to record some music from the stereo and also while clapping as loudly as possible, then transfer the files to the computer to have a look at the waveforms and check peak levels in comparison to the the levels displayed on the VU meter, to get a better feel for the appropriate gain settings.


Note on the display-
There is a menu switch that turns the LED power and record lights on/off.  However, the display remains on and illuminated at all times unless AUTO-LOCK (hold) has been enabled in the menu (set to either 15sec or 1min), in which case the display turns off when the recorder auto-locks.  The auto-lock engagement count down timer is the only way to turn off the display.  Once off, there is no  indication the recorder is powered up or doing anything.  When the display is off, a single press of either the record wheel button or the power button immediately turns the display back on, after which it will remain on for either 15sec or 1 min, although the recorder remains locked. 

Would be nice if a press of either button would immediately turn the display off again, or if it could be set to remain off until a triple click of the power button unlocks the recorder.  Such functionality may not be overly important to stealthers with the recorder hidden in pocket, but it would be good to to be able to immediately black out the display with a single button press after a visual check.  Seems to me that enabling a way to avoid the display from turning on with any inadvertent button press would be important for its intended "on talent" when on-camera / on-stage.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2024, 09:58:00 AM by Gutbucket »
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