Topic: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder

[Chilly Brioschi]

^ Yes.

Anyone have any insight into whether disposable lithium batteries will pass metal detection more easily than alkaline or NiMH or not?

I think it's the metal shell of the battery that is seen.
Lighter and slightly less dense, lithium may have an advantage.
Metal detectors at looking for weapons above all, but also abnormalities.

If you can just put it in the tray and let them eyeball it, that seems the safest overall.

Recent reports on stage-crashing (Morresey <sp?>) and the slaying of a young performer at her meet/greet signature session might ramp security up everywhere.
Fans are strange.

[shadowfax1007]

^ Yes.

Anyone have any insight into whether disposable lithium batteries will pass metal detection more easily than alkaline or NiMH or not?

Really wish we had someone on this forum with open access to metal detection, who could just do a bunch of test cases for various batteries, rigs etc. haha

[TheJez]

^ Yes.

Anyone have any insight into whether disposable lithium batteries will pass metal detection more easily than alkaline or NiMH or not?

Really wish we had someone on this forum with open access to metal detection, who could just do a bunch of test cases for various batteries, rigs etc. haha

It also largely depends on how sensitive they set the equipment. They can't set it too sensitive, as it would result in too many false positives on every button, zipper, brah. So if recorder 'X' passes in one venue, it may not pass in another venue, even if they use the exact same equipment.

[adrianb]

Really wish we had someone on this forum with open access to metal detection, who could just do a bunch of test cases for various batteries, rigs etc. haha

Have you got one of those pipe/cable detectors in your tool box?

I have and I’ve tested all my recorders and microphones in my pocket and they all beep.

What we can never know is what sensitivity they set their detectors to. Fortunately 90%+ of the gigs I go to in the UK don’t use metal detectors.

[LeChti]

This recorder looks a lot like a guitar tuner....which isn't forbidden in those venues !

[thebigredone]

I've just posted my Gilby Clarke Deity PR-2 recording in Kickdown Central if any one wants to hear what it sounds like.

[adrianf74]

I've just posted my Gilby Clarke Deity PR-2 recording in Kickdown Central if any one wants to hear what it sounds like.

I'll have to grab this when I get time later next week.  Wondering how you felt about the recorder?  Levels easy enough to set?  I've read that you can't gang left and right (might put in a future firmware request because that should be easy enough.

[thebigredone]

I've just posted my Gilby Clarke Deity PR-2 recording in Kickdown Central if any one wants to hear what it sounds like.

I'll have to grab this when I get time later next week.  Wondering how you felt about the recorder?  Levels easy enough to set?  I've read that you can't gang left and right (might put in a future firmware request because that should be easy enough.

Certainly going to be nice and easy to get into venues, although on this occasion, there was no physical search. Level setting nice and easy via the app, it fact, it was all straightforward using the app. I had them set to +15, but could definitely go higher. I'll probably try +18 next time.

[cleantone]

For what it's worth. I went to a local college arena for a concert last night. They tout this on the info page.

New and Improved Patron Screening

The Mullins Center is excited to introduce upgraded weapons detection technology that provides for faster and more convenient security screening for all attendees by not requiring fans to stop at a checkpoint.

Unless instructed otherwise by security staff, guests can keep small personal items (such as cell phones, keys, and wallets) on them while entering.

Guests might be directed to secondary screening, including hand-held magnetometers or visual inspection. Additionally, all permitted bags are subject to inspection.

We ask that you cooperate fully with staff and arrive at the entrances with adequate time for entry.

The line moved fast! I had at853 and PR-2 in pocket and got through no issue.

[lpmaskman]

Is this really works well with AT853s and 3-wire battery boxes via line-ine mode? The small size is really seducing, I might want to upgrade my stealth rig with this recorder next year.
Great feature it's using AA batteries and not a built in one. Alsos 24/48 is totally okay for me, since I record audio for video.

[Gutbucket]

Yes.  For 3-wire you'll still need the battery box.  2-wire modded can go straight in, powered by the recorder.

[Sebastian]

Has anyone tried synchronizing timecode across multipe PR-2 units? In other words: I'd like to find out if it's possible to sync multiple units via timecode so that their clocks stay in sync for 4-channel (2 units) and 6-channel (3 units) recordings. I'm currently using the old Tascam DR-2d for low-profile multichannel recordings, but I'd prefer to use something that can be controlled via Bluetooth.

[Gutbucket]

Not yet, but that's also my interest.

A reach perhaps, but hoping it may be possible to clock sync two PR-2 via a simple USB connection between the them, without the need for introducing an additional timecode device.

[goodcooker]

I'd like to find out if it's possible to sync multiple units via timecode so that their clocks stay in sync for 4-channel (2 units) and 6-channel (3 units) recordings.

Timecode is just metadata (that's an over simplification but close enough). It doesn't actually sync the clocks it just tells you "when" based on a running timeline.
You need wordclock sync to actually sync the clocks to the sample level if that is what you are trying to accomplish.

[Gutbucket]

The underlying question is- what level of sync is good enough?

In some modes, Timecode can sync clocks to frame-rate level (somewhere around 30 times per second), but not to sample-rate level (which at 48,000 times per second is a couple orders of magnitude more precise).  Agreed that a wordclock / sample-level degree of sync is ideally what we'd like to achieve, and is arguably what's necessary across the various microphones of a phase-correlated multichannel stereo array.  But how close do we really need and can we achieve that with timecode?

First off, we can allow for somewhat less sync tolerance between sources that are not highly phase-correlated, such as AUD mics + SBD feed, or a pair or room mics that placed separately from the main pair.  Secondly, clock chips these days tend to be much more accurate than they used to be, running closer together and drifting less.  In the timecode mode where sync is confirmed every 30th of a second or so, that's probably more than sufficient. And in the timecode mode where sync is only jam sync'd at the start, after which each clock runs freely, identical modern clock chips in identical modern recorders are more likely than they used to be to run close enough over the course of one live performance set.

For those reasons I suspect a timecode frame-level of sync will probably be sufficient for most taper use. And an initial clock jam may be enough. But we need to try it to really see.