Topic: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder

[aaronji]

^ How about the Countryman B3? It's about half of the price of the DPAs.

A 110 dBSPL max will be potentially problematic for loud rock shows, in my opinion. I don't think it goes above that much, but occasionally.   

[SIC]

^ How about the Countryman B3? It's about half of the price of the DPAs.

A 110 dBSPL max will be potentially problematic for loud rock shows, in my opinion. I don't think it goes above that much, but occasionally.

Absolutely, with 110db SPL max I think I would not buy them/trust them, especially so close up front, I am at a lot of metal/core concerts, amongst others, and this might be always right on the verge then... According to my dear ears some are over 110dB for sure, 130 though as said is another number, no worries there.

I might have to ask at Deity directly what that: *Some microdot adapters may allow for higher SPL amounts...means in reality

The countryman seem nice SPL-wise but they are also around 280,- EUR here a piece, which is still a lot right now, for me it would be preferable if I could stay somewhere under 200.- per mic. I know this might mean compromises but it is what it is.
Interesting for me as said would be also experiences with the combination, if there.

[Pieteker]

^ How about the Countryman B3? It's about half of the price of the DPAs.

A 110 dBSPL max will be potentially problematic for loud rock shows, in my opinion. I don't think it goes above that much, but occasionally.

Absolutely, with 110db SPL max I think I would not buy them/trust them, especially so close up front, I am at a lot of metal/core concerts, amongst others, and this might be always right on the verge then... According to my dear ears some are over 110dB for sure, 130 though as said is another number, no worries there.

I might have to ask at Deity directly what that: *Some microdot adapters may allow for higher SPL amounts...means in reality

The countryman seem nice SPL-wise but they are also around 280,- EUR here a piece, which is still a lot right now, for me it would be preferable if I could stay somewhere under 200.- per mic. I know this might mean compromises but it is what it is.
Interesting for me as said would be also experiences with the combination, if there.

I'm selling a pair of Audio-Technica AT943 cards for €150! They work excellent with the PR-2. https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=207252.0

[Gutbucket]

[snip..]two DPA 4060 (or the likes) are not achievable right now for me.[snip]

4060 is not what you want anyway.  It is capable of handling the sound pressure levels, but it's sensitivity is overly high for use into the PR2, resulting in distortion in concert recording situations.  You'll want something more akin to 4061 instead.  4061 has a somewhat higher max SPL handling ability, but more importantly its sensitivity is low enough that it will not overload the PR2 as long as input gain is set correctly.  The other mics mentioned are similar to 4061 in sensitivity.

Sensitivity of the miniature DPA omnis:
4060 = 20 mV/Pa; -44 dB re. 1 V/Pa
4061 = 6 mV/Pa; -44 dB re. 1 V/Pa

[SIC]

[snip..]two DPA 4060 (or the likes) are not achievable right now for me.[snip]

4060 is not what you want anyway.  It is capable of handling the sound pressure levels, but it's sensitivity is overly high for use into the PR2, resulting in distortion in concert recording situations.  You'll want something more akin to 4061 instead.  4061 has a somewhat higher max SPL handling ability, but more importantly its sensitivity is low enough that it will not overload the PR2 as long as input gain is set correctly.  The other mics mentioned are similar to 4061 in sensitivity.

Sensitivity of the miniature DPA omnis:
4060 = 20 mV/Pa; -44 dB re. 1 V/Pa
4061 = 6 mV/Pa; -44 dB re. 1 V/Pa

thx for the hint, but as I said 60 or 61 does not really matter much, as they are way out of price range for a pair, sadly even the Countryman B3 are out of question, I would need to get something where I can get away with lets say 200,- tops for a single mic, and that is already quite high, it's sadly otherwise not doable for me in the moment.
Honestly I thought that there has to be something for that money which is not a half-a..ed solution and suits my usual recording situation/placement.
I mean the W.Lav Pro seems to be a decent mic from all I read, esp. for the price, but I am in awe of the only 110dB SPL, and I think rightfully so in my case.

[SIC]

I'm selling a pair of Audio-Technica AT943 cards for €150! They work excellent with the PR-2. https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=207252.0

Do you send from NL? Do they work under clothing? I know this is suboptimal per se, but I see no other way...For me this whole situation is totally awkward, because they are really strict here in the venues re recording equipment and as I am always front row this is will always be a high risk situation because it is not just about getting in.

I will also not being able to stand more or less still as
a. I am filming as said and
b. on some concerts there is really hell even in the front row, although it is normally easier than farther behind where the pit(s) start

It is so crazy that there is no proper way to apply a negative gain on phones. I mean there is, and the recordings are also pretty usable if properly post-processed, but then they record in 99% mono only...Sadly. All other solutions that "promise" gain reduction are just fraud because they just lower the gain post-input and therefore post-clip, so completely useless

[Pieteker]

I'm selling a pair of Audio-Technica AT943 cards for €150! They work excellent with the PR-2. https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=207252.0

Do you send from NL? Do they work under clothing? I know this is suboptimal per se, but I see no other way...For me this whole situation is totally awkward, because they are really strict here in the venues re recording equipment and as I am always front row this is will always be a high risk situation because it is not just about getting in.

I will also not being able to stand more or less still as
a. I am filming as said and
b. on some concerts there is really hell even in the front row, although it is normally easier than farther behind where the pit(s) start

It is so crazy that there is no proper way to apply a negative gain on phones, I mean there is, and the recordings are also pretty good if properly post-processed, but then they record in 99% mono only...Sadly. All other solutions that "promise" gain reduction are just fraud because they just lower the gain post-input and therefore post-clip, so completely useless

Omnis are better when you're moving around a lot, since cardioid mics are directional—so I'm not sure if my mics will work well for your needs. But yes, I’m sending from the Netherlands. Here's a recording I made with the AT-943s from the balcony: https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ4aLdZRjesygCPgmScaki5Ssa2aFxF8iJV

[SIC]

Omnis are better when you're moving around a lot, since cardioid mics are directional—so I'm not sure if my mics will work well for your needs. But yes, I’m sending from the Netherlands. Here's a recording I made with the AT-943s from the balcony: https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ4aLdZRjesygCPgmScaki5Ssa2aFxF8iJV

Oh yea I just saw that these are cardioids, I think this is not worth the hassle then. But thanks anyways.
I am constantly scratching my head on this whole situation, and I think even with more, or unlimited budget, I am in a pretty awful place. Best picture quality right now technically possible from a stealth perspective, but due to that literally f..ed with the sound, no matter how I put or twist it in my mind 
No one wants to see a concert vid with overly subpar sound, we have enough of that on YT and Insta already

[grawk]

*purely hypothetical, I don't know anyone who ever ran a Multicam stealth video setup with stealth audio, because that would be bad*

Make friends, get the person recording audio into the sweet spot for audio, and get whatever cameras you have into the spots that make the most sense for them.  Jam sync timecode if possible, but if not, you can sync in post.

[SIC]

*purely hypothetical, I don't know anyone who ever ran a Multicam stealth video setup with stealth audio, because that would be bad*

Make friends, get the person recording audio into the sweet spot for audio, and get whatever cameras you have into the spots that make the most sense for them.  Jam sync timecode if possible, but if not, you can sync in post.

Yea I think it will probably end up with a construct of the like, because honestly I played everything else through and through and through, and I was very considerate imo, but came to no solution that would be real practicable alone anymore. My problem is I am a bit of a chaser when I want to get something to work on my own. But one also has to be able to admit that not everything is doable alone, at least not if one expects a certain quality of the work he does himself, or delivers in the end.

[willndmb]

Posted this in the a10 thread….

I’m sure somewhere in here it talks about it but how is the a10 at not setting off metal detectors?
My m10 sets it off

Looking for something that will not, or at least not as much…
A10
Deity maybe

Looking to run 4.7 mod at853 > recorder for shows that I have no option in going back “to car”.
Ie a show coming up is 30 min train ride away
Tia

[Gutbucket]

Of all recorders currently available (other than using a phone to record along via a recording app), PR-2 is is least likely of any to set off a metal detector.

That said, metal detection will depend on how the sensitivity of the detector is set.  I've seen some cranked up so high they detect as single small coin, even a small washer in a pocket. And others turned down so far they barely detect much of anything.

I just hold it above my head along with my phone and keys as they wand everything else down. No prob.  If a walk-through you are paranoid about and don't trust, probably just put it under the phone, keys, wallet and any other stuff that goes in the basket.  Its small and square and even with entry-level Jedi skills should be easy to pass off as a phone battery, pager, or remote of some kind if even noticed at all.

[Gutbucket]

..I've wondered, and asked here at TS, but have never definitively figured out if different AA battery types increase or decrease metal detectability when installed in the recorder.  Regardless, if paranoid, might take the batteries out and carry them through separately.

[willndmb]

..I've wondered, and asked here at TS, but have never definitively figured out if different AA battery types increase or decrease metal detectability when installed in the recorder.  Regardless, if paranoid, might take the batteries out and carry them through separately.

thanks

[detroit lightning]

Read through the entire thread, and while I was initially disappointed by the lack of 32 bit stereo, I’m going to give it a go with some at853s (4.7 mod) that I just picked up. Seems pretty straightforward…pip on, line in, set levels with the app…am I missing anything?

Had been recording with a mv88 > iPhone, but looking forward to a more proper rig.

Also, if anyone is looking to unload theirs…I’m interested.