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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2024, 07:46:40 PM »
Did your recorder show up or has it been delayed?
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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2024, 10:17:39 PM »
The first promised delivery did not happen (not even shipped).  I called their help line and complained.  The second promised delivery is supposed to be on Wednesday coming but it is still showing as not shipped yet (from US to Australia).  Hmmm....

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2024, 06:45:23 AM »
Did anyone test the H2essential at loud metal Shows with internal mics? Will this work?
Think of buying one for easy recording and just hitting rec.
Thanks!

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2024, 09:31:34 PM »
Did anyone test the H2essential at loud metal Shows with internal mics? Will this work?
Think of buying one for easy recording and just hitting rec.
Thanks!
Off the top of my forgetful head, I don't think anyone here actually has one.  One Youtube reviewer mentioned using it for loud shows but did not provide a sample, and may have only meant that he planned to use it. 

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2024, 06:54:53 AM »
The second promised delivery has not arrived from Amazon ( not sent).  I have complained... this one will run and run.  Huh.

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2024, 01:29:40 PM »
I would buy one as replacement for my Tascam DR 05.
But with the rec and mic buttons only dimmable
I don't know if this is working for stealth taping.
And not knowing if the internal mics are
able to handle very loud shows....I would have
to go with my Sony ECM 717.
The Roland R07 looks interesting as well.

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2024, 08:12:10 PM »
It could probably be made a bit more stealthy with a bit of improvisation and gaffer tape or similar, but it's probably not ideal in terms of stealth even so.  You could tell security that it's a shaver?!

As for high SPL I don't think it's outstanding in that respect from what I recall of the specs.

Mine is now scheduled to arrive just after Christmas.  I'll believe it when I see it...

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2024, 08:48:04 AM »
A video on the usage of the H2E recorder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zua1npUslEY

I won't call it a review, since Marcel says it's not a review, either.

Some recordings sound better than others. I wasn't particularly pleased with the water recording - sounds mono, but that's probably more related to the environment than the recorder. When Greg and Marcel are talking, the audio was good, but I didn't hear a lot of stereo separation between the two recordings.

What are your thoughts?
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2024, 06:37:28 PM »
I could have cried when the Roland binaurals were tested - but not compared with the mics of the device itself which would have been a key comparison.  Generally without knowing the environments it seemed hard to make judgements about the frequency response of the mics nor of the self noise.  The latter I would guess is not a disaster but I do wonder whether the former is a bit thin.  If mine ever arrives, then I will know!  Stereo image is just fine - obviously depends on the set width or post-processed width.  I could not understand why they bothered discussing what best width to record in, when it doesn't matter as the mic source files enable that to be varied as necessary later.

There is another new 'review' at https://youtu.be/lWlN9ENIK4Y?si=E2vaWA_lqz7r5m-g which includes a guitar and voice demo which sounds fine - some post-processing in evidence but why not - the user seems to use if for live gig recording but there's no samples of that sadly.

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2024, 02:50:42 AM »
At last my H2e has actually been dispatched by Amazon, arriving by 7th Jan.  Watch this space...

Meanwhile at https://youtu.be/wqae2VHXhx4?si=n88rgK85oMe1jOwz there are some rather good samples, all recorded in various parts of a railway station, unprocessed.  To my ears they show that this device is fine for ambience recording (though the tests don't prove or disprove system noise levels).  Low frequencies seem as expected, which was my greatest concern after hearing other samples.

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2024, 07:49:14 AM »
Got myself one for Christmas. It indeed records front as stereo and rear as stereo as well as a stereo mix of both at the same time. When using an external stereo mic the internal rear mics are turned of. There are seperate stereo channels for front, line and a mix as well. There are three files in the folder. Think this  great for that price.

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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2024, 10:07:45 PM »
Got myself one for Christmas. It indeed records front as stereo and rear as stereo as well as a stereo mix of both at the same time. When using an external stereo mic the internal rear mics are turned of. There are seperate stereo channels for front, line and a mix as well. There are three files in the folder. Think this  great for that price.

Excellent!  Mine is now scheduled to arrive on 3 Jan.  I may have time next day to do a short initial comparison with the H2n sound quality, for YouTube.  Maybe I will also test vs the H1 XLR  with the Superlux stereo pair, as a more demanding reference point. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2025, 08:38:01 PM »
At last, mine has arrived and I've spent about half an hour out in my suburban garden with it, on a beautiful summer morning with no breeze.

It's small.   It fits nicely in the hand if you wanted to walk around with it, ready to grab ambient sounds without looking like someone walking around ready to grab ambient sounds.  Subjectively it is heavier than I expected when I saw it, but having said that, it's light, if that makes any sense.  The colour display is small but sharp and clear and bright (brightness is selectable and it can dim night down after a settable time period).  Buttons on top are likewise fine to see on a sunny day but can also be dimmed.

Appearance is kind of matt black for the most part.  I will probably take a black felt tip pen to the 'Zoom' logo and to the black silver bars below the grille.  Maybe a bit of black insulation tape on the battery cover which has some lettering on it.  Overall it looks quite classy.

Handling noise - well, just don't handle it.  There is probably no capsule suspension whatever.  But I attached one of those folding tabletop tripod things to the base to make a small handle, and holding that with a non-fidget grip made it ok for using in the hand. 

Recording quality - self noise isn't something my ears are good at hearing these days, but recording suburban garden 'silence' seemed fine to me.  On replay I could hear little sounds I didn't notice while recording.  I would rate it as 'no disaster' in this respect.  And at the price, what can you reasonably expect?  If the stuff you record actually needs very low self noise equipment, go pay for it.

Frequency response - well, I had the feeling from some YouTube reviews that it's bass light, and it's certainly not bass heavy, but again, no disaster I would think. Probably there's enough there to tweak with a bit of EQ later.  There's enough LF to hear the effect of the LF cut settings beginning at 80Hz, if you see what I mean.  I will test the sound against other devices as soon as I get the chance.

I did do a comparison with my Roland binaural in-ear mics.  Although I am not at home and don't have much gear with me, doing that comparison was helped by the neat feature which allows you to record external mics on the 'rear' stereo channel while recording the front facing built in mics to the 'front' channel.  (Four channel recording).  Then when you replay, you can use the simple built in mixer to mute either channel to compare during playback.  (There's a certain amount of button pressing required to achieve that but it's better than nothing).   The Roland sound was, as I suspected, a bit fuller right at the bottom end (as shown when a noisy sports car drove past on the adjacent road).  As far as I could judge there wasn't a radical difference at the top end.  The fact that its mic input recorded the kind of sound that I would expect from the Rolands indicates that any lack of LF in the device is at the mic end rather than the preamp end - as you'd expect.  A nice touch when playing back is that the display shows the waveform of the two stereo files one above the other, with the source labelled (so you can see whether the rear channel came from the internal mics or external).

A factor in the sound might be due to the front and rear mics being labelled as hypercardioid.  I believe that piclup pattern tends to be thinner in sound than cardiod or omni.  Unless you pay a lot.

There is a comprehensive "export" function which allows you to choose bit depth, normalisation, and whether the export goes via the mixer or not.  So having recorded the front internal and the plugin mics you can export with either muted (or mixed to your liking) and with the output format selected.  This is kind of handy if you had no other way of doing it, but the device cannot play back files in its 'export' folder (nor in its 'trash' folder).  So you can't check the result on location.  Time to export with normalising is probably real time, or not much quicker, so again, handy if really needed but otherwise, wait till you are in front of your DAW.

But that exemplifies what a remarkably full-featured this device is, at the price.  In my pro recording days (classical music) I usually had a device with me which I could deploy if all else failed, in other words in the event of mic, cable, mixer or recorder failure.  If I was still doing that stuff, I think the H2e would be a good candidate.  Takes up almost no space in the bag, sets up in seconds with no need to set levels, very nice stereo image which could include the rear as well on its separate tracks to include more or less ambience and applause in post production, and with an appropriate lead it could take the output from a mixer if the recorder had failed, and so on. 

I may have time tomorrow when home with all my gear to do a quick comparison with the sound of the H2n which might interest some people.  Meanwhile I am now able to answer questions if any. 

[Edited to add that this thing may be small but it has a total of 15 buttons on it...]
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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2025, 02:28:06 PM »
I'm planning on recording the Winter Dance Party in Clear Lake later this month, and am trying to decide between this and the H1Essential. The H1E is much smaller, so clearly an advantage there for being able to get through the door, but obviously I'd like to get the best quality available. My position most likely will be where the red box is:



My thinking is with the H1E, the mics look like they point straight up, so I can get the sound from the overhead speaker. But, if I go with the H2E, I may be able to just set it in a side pocket of a small backpack and set it against the small speaker to the left. Problem is, I'm not sure what all comes out of that speaker, I'm not sure if it's the full sound, or just low end/high end, etc.. I currently have a Zoom H2 and Tascam DR-03 that I had debated trying to use, but I like the idea of 32-Bit float (and no external mics) being that close, and most likely having to just push record and not be able to monitor throughout the sets. To be clear, I am not expecting to get pristine sound from this position, but hopefully something listenable. I will be there with a group of friends and don't want to spend all 3 nights on my own in the middle of the venue trying to get the best sound like I would with other concerts. The other thing I'm not sure of is there much of a difference in quality between the H1E and the H2E?
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Re: Zoom H2essential. It seems to be a 6 channel device!
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2025, 04:17:44 PM »
I suspect the issue of physical format and ease of placement will be more important than difference in inherent sound quality from the two devices.  There could be differences, but probably not radical in this particular situation.  I will be testing the H2e vs the H1n later today, I hope, and uploading the result to YouTube.  That will just be a test in the lounge from a good quality hifi turned up reasonably loud.  But I don't have the H1e.

 

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