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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2025, 01:41:26 PM »
Thanks for supportive posts, ( all except Top Hat who continually tells us all (well, 98.67% of us) that we are doing it all wrong due to "poor planning" or just ignorance) recording is quite listenable after post production cutting down audience applause after each song. Still lots of applause during songs and whoops, whistles and yelling, but we've grown somewhat immune to it these days, it's the generational divide , I guess. Never seen audience response brickwall recording  on this level. It's kind of funny, 28 years before this show I recorded the David Grisman Quartet in the same theater , same seating location (1st balcony, center, lip, nak 701s, vs. Shoeps 4vs this time), night and day comparison to last weeks recording. Audience was respectful, no talking during songs audible, some applause during songs, but nowhere near the level of assholish behavior we get nowadays. I belong to numerous fishing forums and all but one ( a quite polite and helpful kokanee forum (freshwater landlocked sockeye salmon) have a majority of real pricks telling one and all that you are doing it all wrong, and if you are not a MAGA supporter you are a moron deserving of ridicule. The worst is the one started by tuna fishermen with big expensive boats. Still lots of good info and fisherfolk on there, just overrun with dickheads. Fortunately we are only dealing with one of those today. Maybe if you are dealing with bands who are starting out or anxious for exposure or are in tiny venues where you can set up in "perfect' on axis locations than you can get "the perfect" recording. Not so much in high demand shows, tight security situations, etc. We all do the best we can and most "off axis recordings" still come out decent. Or do you not listen to most older Grateful Dead recordings done off axis?.  I discussed (earlier in this thread) the only "on axis" recording from a large stadium situation done with 100+ ft. cables I have where I was patched out of Bob Matthews, a well known Dead taper back in the early '90s. Two shotguns on left, same on right, one recorder on left, another on right, equal length cables for each channel. One of the best recordings in Autzen Stadium I have. Comments from Top Hat? Crickets.
  If anyone wants to post my recordings on Taper's section (both last week and '97 show P.M. me and I'll send off original files as well as CDrs tracked with muted audience after each song and equalized. Send me address and I'll mail them off, I only want them them posted here, not on Dime or  sites available to everyone else. I have issues  with Joe Blow posting shit so it can be sold in Japan or Europe. It will take a week or so, lots on the table in my life right now. As I've discussed before I don't upload shows but occasionally will ask some kind soul (see Rocksuitcase .ak.a. Kyle) to post something worthy of sharing, i.e. David Crosby, Jazz is Dead, etc.) Once again, thanks to Morst, Thelonious, and Fanofjam for supportive posts. Helps my fragile ego. lol   Bob (and Melanie)
Hard being supportive to an old blowhard who doesnt have any respect for someone who just wants to have a good time. My comment of off axis recordings is to bring to light that we ALL set up this way most times. Is it wrong? No, It is SOP for tapers to set up this way.
I hear complaints from fans about tapers like you a lot that are ruining the vibe and giving us all a bad name. Try acting professional ...if you know how. I sure hope I get to meet you at a show some time Bob. I bet you are really pleasant to be around... :yahoo:
Thanks for supportive posts, ( all except Top Hat who continually tells us all (well, 98.67% of us) that we are doing it all wrong due to "poor planning" or just ignorance) recording is quite listenable after post production cutting down audience applause after each song. Still lots of applause during songs and whoops, whistles and yelling, but we've grown somewhat immune to it these days, it's the generational divide , I guess. Never seen audience response brickwall recording  on this level. It's kind of funny, 28 years before this show I recorded the David Grisman Quartet in the same theater , same seating location (1st balcony, center, lip, nak 701s, vs. Shoeps 4vs this time), night and day comparison to last weeks recording. Audience was respectful, no talking during songs audible, some applause during songs, but nowhere near the level of assholish behavior we get nowadays. I belong to numerous fishing forums and all but one ( a quite polite and helpful kokanee forum (freshwater landlocked sockeye salmon) have a majority of real pricks telling one and all that you are doing it all wrong, and if you are not a MAGA supporter you are a moron deserving of ridicule. The worst is the one started by tuna fishermen with big expensive boats. Still lots of good info and fisherfolk on there, just overrun with dickheads. Fortunately we are only dealing with one of those today. Maybe if you are dealing with bands who are starting out or anxious for exposure or are in tiny venues where you can set up in "perfect' on axis locations than you can get "the perfect" recording. Not so much in high demand shows, tight security situations, etc. We all do the best we can and most "off axis recordings" still come out decent. Or do you not listen to most older Grateful Dead recordings done off axis?.  I discussed (earlier in this thread) the only "on axis" recording from a large stadium situation done with 100+ ft. cables I have where I was patched out of Bob Matthews, a well known Dead taper back in the early '90s. Two shotguns on left, same on right, one recorder on left, another on right, equal length cables for each channel. One of the best recordings in Autzen Stadium I have. Comments from Top Hat? Crickets.
  If anyone wants to post my recordings on Taper's section (both last week and '97 show P.M. me and I'll send off original files as well as CDrs tracked with muted audience after each song and equalized. Send me address and I'll mail them off, I only want them them posted here, not on Dime or  sites available to everyone else. I have issues  with Joe Blow posting shit so it can be sold in Japan or Europe. It will take a week or so, lots on the table in my life right now. As I've discussed before I don't upload shows but occasionally will ask some kind soul (see Rocksuitcase .ak.a. Kyle) to post something worthy of sharing, i.e. David Crosby, Jazz is Dead, etc.) Once again, thanks to Morst, Thelonious, and Fanofjam for supportive posts. Helps my fragile ego. lol   Bob (and Melanie)
Hard being supportive to an old blowhard who doesnt have any respect for someone who just wants to have a good time. My comment of off axis recordings is to bring to light that we ALL set up this way most times. Is it wrong? No, It is SOP for tapers to set up this way.
I hear complaints from fans about tapers like you a lot that are ruining the vibe and giving us all a bad name. Try acting professional ...if you know how. I sure hope I get to meet you at a show some time Bob. I bet you are really pleasant to be around... :yahoo:
This guy is a real piece of shit. Sticking up for other pieces of shit who are "just trying to have a good time". I  also hope to see this asshole at  a show so I can stand next to his mics and talk loudly, scream and whoop at random throughout  songs, and then ask him for a copy. I'd really like to see him outside the show, I could show him that not only can I be a "cranky old man" but I can be a mean, cranky old man. This guy needs to get a brain transplant. To defend assholes who treat respectful audience members with obnoxious behavior is about as big an asshole that I've seen here since Jerryfreak was around. Fuck him and the horse he fucked before he came to town. Eat shit and die, be thankful you are on the other side of the country, I'd come to shows you attend just to fuck with you. Big Time!
I've met Jerryfreak before...He was respectable ..little wirey but a nice enough guy. What is your beef with him? Did he trigger you somehow...maybe breathe wrong ?

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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2025, 01:51:54 PM »
If you don't know what EVERYONE'S beef is with Jerryfreak, you certainly fit into his catagory. As far as "personally"  throwing me out of a show for disrespecting a rude audience member I'll tell you what I tell all bullies. I'll see you in a hospital or jail or both. The fact that you relate to Jerryfreak, a Trump supporter and anti semetitic  says it all. Once again, fuck you. I'm done now. no one here agrees with you. Get a clue. bob
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2025, 02:08:46 PM »
If you don't know what EVERYONE'S beef is with Jerryfreak, you certainly fit into his catagory. As far as "personally"  throwing me out of a show for disrespecting a rude audience member I'll tell you what I tell all bullies. I'll see you in a hospital or jail or both. The fact that you relate to Jerryfreak, a Trump supporter and anti semetitic  says it all. Once again, fuck you. I'm done now. no one here agrees with you. Get a clue. bob
I've met him once here in SLC and did not have any issues with him personally. It appears to me that YOU are the bully here Bob. You are escalating this thread into a personal grievance and attacking me,  just like you do with audience members. Well, that didn't work to well for you did it?.THIS IS A HOBBY!!! Have Fun...shit happens ..deal with it or get out of the game.
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2025, 02:47:31 PM »
If you don't know what EVERYONE'S beef is with Jerryfreak, you certainly fit into his catagory. As far as "personally"  throwing me out of a show for disrespecting a rude audience member I'll tell you what I tell all bullies. I'll see you in a hospital or jail or both. The fact that you relate to Jerryfreak, a Trump supporter and anti semetitic  says it all. Once again, fuck you. I'm done now. no one here agrees with you. Get a clue. bob
I've met him once here in SLC and did not have any issues with him personally. It appears to me that YOU are the bully here Bob. You are escalating this thread into a personal grievance and attacking me,  just like you do with audience members. Well, that didn't work to well for you did it? And , I guarantee, attacking me will not work, I promise you. I say again... PLEASE come out here or I can come see you. Maybe I can EDUCATE you in proper professional etiquette so that tapers and the audience can coexist with each other. Like one member said here ...THIS IS A HOBBY!!! Have Fun...shit happens ..deal with it or get out of the game son.
Top Hat dude: STOP. YOU are deliberately ruining this thread. Bob/Melanie was merely talking about annoying audiences, which IF you are a TAPER, you will experience ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Jerryfreak was an annoying blowhard with a CONservative bent of acting contrarian even when it was evident he cared less about the thing he was pushing everyone's buttons with.. I can ASSURE you, there was maybe 5 frequent posters here who stuck up for his side of the BS.

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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2025, 04:38:22 PM »
If you don't know what EVERYONE'S beef is with Jerryfreak, you certainly fit into his catagory. As far as "personally"  throwing me out of a show for disrespecting a rude audience member I'll tell you what I tell all bullies. I'll see you in a hospital or jail or both. The fact that you relate to Jerryfreak, a Trump supporter and anti semetitic  says it all. Once again, fuck you. I'm done now. no one here agrees with you. Get a clue. bob
I've met him once here in SLC and did not have any issues with him personally. It appears to me that YOU are the bully here Bob. You are escalating this thread into a personal grievance and attacking me,  just like you do with audience members. Well, that didn't work to well for you did it? And , I guarantee, attacking me will not work, I promise you. I say again... PLEASE come out here or I can come see you. Maybe I can EDUCATE you in proper professional etiquette so that tapers and the audience can coexist with each other. Like one member said here ...THIS IS A HOBBY!!! Have Fun...shit happens ..deal with it or get out of the game son.
Top Hat dude: STOP. YOU are deliberately ruining this thread. Bob/Melanie was merely talking about annoying audiences, which IF you are a TAPER, you will experience ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Jerryfreak was an annoying blowhard with a CONservative bent of acting contrarian even when it was evident he cared less about the thing he was pushing everyone's buttons with.. I can ASSURE you, there was maybe 5 frequent posters here who stuck up for his side of the BS.

Otherwise, could a moderator please let me know how to put someone on ignore?

Who ruined a thread? talking about annoying audience members and ripping them a new one and being disrespectful and attacking ME. Bob's attitude is the issue here, he has anger issues and doesnt know how to play nice with others He is who derailed the thread that the OP initially wanted advice on PAS preferences. Please ignore me along with your other comrades. You keep attacking me ill just keep on biting back. You want to make ammends and play nice well im right here too. I am not going to sit here and take any shit from any one of you assholes on here OR IN PERSON..got it? I think you should consider making peace and just letting this go.
Oh, so I and everyone else should just comport themselves they way YOU SEE FIT?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
WHATEVER. Why you so mad bro?
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2025, 05:00:22 PM »
Almost 100% of you guys I see taping are using OFF axis methods even PAS, even A-B stereo.
No idea what you mean, maybe I'm not worth my salt, but would you care to explain this?
Also, how close to 100%? Like 5 nines?
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Decent mics have off-axis response which sound like on axis, as seen on their polar plots.
Decent PA systems have a range of dispersion in which sound is within certain tolerances, as designed in programs like Meyer MAPP and the l'acoustic SoundVision software.
https://www.l-acoustics.com/products/soundvision/


Are you suggesting that the only way to make decent tapes with your rig is to run the mics exactly on axis with the PA?
You must be using some terribly lousy gear to record poorly designed and implemented systems if that is important to you.
Any taper worth their salt would upgrade to gear with acceptable off-axis response, and stick with good sounding events!

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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2025, 05:06:07 PM »
Otherwise, could a moderator please let me know how to put someone on ignore?
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2025, 05:41:59 PM »
Almost 100% of you guys I see taping are using OFF axis methods even PAS, even A-B stereo.
No idea what you mean, maybe I'm not worth my salt, but would you care to explain this?
Also, how close to 100%? Like 5 nines?
98.673412% of you..
Are you suggesting that the only way to make decent tapes with your rig is to run the mics exactly on axis with the PA?
You must be using some terribly lousy gear to record poorly designed and implemented systems if that is important to you.
Any taper worth their salt would upgrade to gear with acceptable off-axis response, and stick with good sounding events!
Did I say that?
Off axis placements have different tonal responses as does the degree of axis and distance to source. Since no venue, audience, band or FOH engineer is exactly the same, one can take notes of previous experiences with said elements and adjust to mic brand, choices, mic capsule patterns, distances, axis points accordingly. As for my gear, I can take sub par gear and make a solid pull if the external elements are condusive. Case in point...I'm sure any OG taper has recorded with a cassette recorder back in the day which in these times is considered sub par. That being said, I have heard some fantastic pulls with this antiquated equiptment. "Planning" through experience and trial and error IMHO is key here confidence goes hand in hand, gear is second. Hope that clears that up.

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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2025, 05:43:48 PM »
If you don't know what EVERYONE'S beef is with Jerryfreak, you certainly fit into his catagory. As far as "personally"  throwing me out of a show for disrespecting a rude audience member I'll tell you what I tell all bullies. I'll see you in a hospital or jail or both. The fact that you relate to Jerryfreak, a Trump supporter and anti semetitic  says it all. Once again, fuck you. I'm done now. no one here agrees with you. Get a clue. bob
I've met him once here in SLC and did not have any issues with him personally. It appears to me that YOU are the bully here Bob. You are escalating this thread into a personal grievance and attacking me,  just like you do with audience members. Well, that didn't work to well for you did it? And , I guarantee, attacking me will not work, I promise you. I say again... PLEASE come out here or I can come see you. Maybe I can EDUCATE you in proper professional etiquette so that tapers and the audience can coexist with each other. Like one member said here ...THIS IS A HOBBY!!! Have Fun...shit happens ..deal with it or get out of the game son.
Top Hat dude: STOP. YOU are deliberately ruining this thread. Bob/Melanie was merely talking about annoying audiences, which IF you are a TAPER, you will experience ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Jerryfreak was an annoying blowhard with a CONservative bent of acting contrarian even when it was evident he cared less about the thing he was pushing everyone's buttons with.. I can ASSURE you, there was maybe 5 frequent posters here who stuck up for his side of the BS.

Otherwise, could a moderator please let me know how to put someone on ignore?

Who ruined a thread? talking about annoying audience members and ripping them a new one and being disrespectful and attacking ME. Bob's attitude is the issue here, he has anger issues and doesnt know how to play nice with others He is who derailed the thread that the OP initially wanted advice on PAS preferences. Please ignore me along with your other comrades. You keep attacking me ill just keep on biting back. You want to make ammends and play nice well im right here too. I am not going to sit here and take any shit from any one of you assholes on here OR IN PERSON..got it? I think you should consider making peace and just letting this go.
Oh, so I and everyone else should just comport themselves they way YOU SEE FIT?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
WHATEVER. Why you so mad bro?
You and your cohorts are resortng to personal attacks like a bunch of kids. So, im going to treat you like children  Kick rocks son!!
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2025, 05:46:49 PM »
Let's get back on topic.. [edit- this pretty much just expands on what most just posted above]

Always good to define the terms. To clarify, "on-axis", may refer to either the speaker creating the sound or a microphones used to record it.

"Directly on-axis" generally equates to a line down the center of some effective coverage window within which response and sensitivity is held more or less constant.  It's is easy to visually identify since its typically directly in-line with the font of the device.  The width of the effective coverage window depends on polar pattern and the quality of the speaker or microphone. 

The main thing we are concerned about is how much overlap there is between the coverage widow of one or both PA speakers, how much overlap there is between the coverage windows of each of the two microphones, and how much overlap there is between the combined coverage of one or both PA speakers and the combined coverage of the microphone pair. 

We don't need to be directly on-axis with the PA speakers themselves, only within their effective coverage window.  We don't need to point each microphone directly on-axis with the PA speakers, we only need the PA speaker to be located within the good coverage window of the microphone.  We don't have to setup within the effective coverage window of both PA speakers, but the stereo aspects will usually be improved when we can arrange that, and the the stereo aspects will be better when we arrange for an optimal amount of overlap between the effective coverage patterns of the two microphones.

Less critical but also of importance is the offset within and between all those various angles of coverage.  We might a find different individual PA speakers to have a wider or narrower angle of effective coverage, and differing degrees of overlapping PA coverage depending on the PA setup and the recording position in the room. Similarly at the pickup end we have wider or narrower windows of effective off-axis coverage from the individual microphones and use them in various stereo configurations that provide different amounts of stereo pattern overlap. 

As tapers, we don't have a hand in the design and setup of the PA, but the folks who do very much think in terms of "reverse PAS", at least in effect if not in terminology.  The configuration of the PA is arranged to direct its effective coverage window over as much of the audience as practical, essentially pointing the PA directly at you in the audience, while directing as little sound as practical in all other directions.

"PAS" refers specifically to orientation of our microphones from a position out in the audience - angling the stereo pair so that the primary axis of one microphone is pointed directly at the PA speaker on one side of the stage and the the primary axis of the other microphone is pointed directly at the PA on the other side of the stage.   We can use alternate stereo microphone configurations that still keep the PA within the effective stereo coverage angle of the stereo pair - that's the critical thing - which may sound better or worse.  But none of them will maximize pickup of direct sound from the PA while simultaneously minimizing pickup of sound arriving from everywhere else as much as possible as pointing the microphones directly at the PA speakers is going to do (at least potentially, depending on polar pattern and mics used).  When that's the most critical thing to achieve to get a good recording, PAS is the only road that leads all the way to Rome.
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2025, 05:58:46 PM »
Let's get back on topic.. [edit- this pretty much just expands on what most just posted above]

Always good to define the terms. To clarify, "on-axis", may refer to either the speaker creating the sound or a microphones used to record it.

"Directly on-axis" generally equates to a line down the center of some effective coverage window within which response and sensitivity is held more or less constant.  It's is easy to visually identify since its typically directly in-line with the font of the device.  The width of the effective coverage window depends on polar pattern and the quality of the speaker or microphone. 

The main thing we are concerned about is how much overlap there is between the coverage widow of one or both PA speakers, how much overlap there is between the coverage windows of each of the two microphones, and how much overlap there is between the combined coverage of one or both PA speakers and the combined coverage of the microphone pair. 

We don't need to be directly on-axis with the PA speakers themselves, only within their effective coverage window.  We don't need to point each microphone directly on-axis with the PA speakers, we only need the PA speaker to be located within the good coverage window of the microphone.  We don't have to setup within the effective coverage window of both PA speakers, but the stereo aspects will usually be improved when we can arrange that, and the the stereo aspects will be better when we arrange for an optimal amount of overlap between the effective coverage patterns of the two microphones.

Less critical but also of importance is the offset within and between all those various angles of coverage.  We might a find different individual PA speakers to have a wider or narrower angle of effective coverage, and differing degrees of overlapping PA coverage depending on the PA setup and the recording position in the room. Similarly at the pickup end we have wider or narrower windows of effective off-axis coverage from the individual microphones and use them in various stereo configurations that provide different amounts of stereo pattern overlap. 

As tapers, we don't have a hand in the design and setup of the PA, but the folks who do very much think in terms of "reverse PAS", at least in effect if not in terminology.  The configuration of the PA is arranged to direct its effective coverage window over as much of the audience as practical, essentially pointing the PA directly at you in the audience, while directing as little sound as practical in all other directions.

"PAS" refers specifically to orientation of our microphones from a position out in the audience - angling the stereo pair so that the primary axis of one microphone is pointed directly at the PA speaker on one side of the stage and the the primary axis of the other microphone is pointed directly at the PA on the other side of the stage.   We can use alternate stereo microphone configurations that still keep the PA within the effective stereo coverage angle of the stereo pair - that's the critical thing - which may sound better or worse.  But none of them will maximize pickup of direct sound from the PA while simultaneously minimizing pickup of sound arriving from everywhere else as much as possible as pointing the microphones directly at the PA speakers is going to do (at least potentially, depending on polar pattern and mics used).  When that's the most critical thing to achieve to get a good recording, PAS is the only road that leads all the way to Rome.
I do agree mostly, but PAS is not the end all be all. I respect the amount of research you do Gut, however external elements will throw a curveball into your system. Especially outdoors. If I know a FOH engineer rolls sound tinny because his high end hearing range is smoked due to age or time in the field, I want my mics with a more broader pattern to soften that tinny tone. I am just using this as an example. Weather is another entirely different aspect where I will sometimes use omnis. PAS does not apply here but distance bewtween caps and source does. I hope you can see some of these variances where PAS does not normally apply. However, I find your research fascinating and very well documented and useful in most instances
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2025, 07:00:40 PM »
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2025, 07:26:45 AM »
Otherwise, could a moderator please let me know how to put someone on ignore?
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2025, 10:00:16 AM »
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Thanks morst for this post. Never seen that you can ignore TS members. What a great feature.
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Re: What's the point in running any other config other than PAS?
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2025, 10:22:33 AM »
TH, the key phrase in my post above is this one..

When that's the most critical thing to achieve to get a good recording

PAS a problem solver which helps with one of the most common taping problems, and it's straight-forward conceptually, making it a good, easy path of entry to taping.  In an ideal situation PAS isn't needed and in general I prefer wider patterns and non-PAS configurations whenever the situation allows for it, yet PAS remains the safest routes to a decent recording.  Even when moving beyond it to other configurations that can produce a more engaging recording in good situations, it will always remain a good fundamental technique as the best solution for a really tough acoustic outside of a soundboard patch.

For practical reasons, to avoid changing up my physical microphone configuration each time I stack the deck with a combination of wide spaced pair of omnis along with near-ish spaced pair of supercards that can be angled a bit more tightly for PAS when necessary, and a M/S stereo shotgun in the center pointed directly at the stage.  That allows me to adjust balance between those various pairs as needed to accommodate different acoustics, weather, audience, and whatever else.  That works great for getting the best of both worlds, but is a more complex multichannel solution to the problem.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2025, 05:03:27 PM by Gutbucket »
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