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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #150 on: February 10, 2006, 06:07:52 PM »
My FR2 was the second one Doug ever did, his was the first  ;D Mine has improved analog outs as well as better jacks. I have never listened to the analog out unfortunately but Doug did in fact change the analog section on mine as well as the ADC & gain stage. I think the FR2 is extremely easy to use & has the best meters out there, even better than Nick's Marantz. The only downside is the 12 volts.

I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #151 on: February 10, 2006, 07:03:55 PM »
I tried a Lion pack (actually two of them!) but it was HORRIBLE quality so I am back to lead at this point.
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
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Old rig: Recording: AKG C34 & AKG CK1X or CK2X > MK46 > 460 > Aeta Mix2000 > Sound Devices 702

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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #152 on: February 10, 2006, 07:18:32 PM »
I believe it is 1 amp per hour. It isn't THAT power hungry IMO, I always run phantom as well. It's just the 12 volts that suck.
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #153 on: February 10, 2006, 07:22:32 PM »
batteries failed in weeks & months
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
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Old rig: Recording: AKG C34 & AKG CK1X or CK2X > MK46 > 460 > Aeta Mix2000 > Sound Devices 702

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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #154 on: February 10, 2006, 07:41:04 PM »
yes, they were sweet for a little while.
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
Preamps: Grace Lunatec V2, Shure FP24
Decks: Tascam DR-2d, Zoom F8

Old rig: Recording: AKG C34 & AKG CK1X or CK2X > MK46 > 460 > Aeta Mix2000 > Sound Devices 702

Playback: Thorens TD125, Denon DVD-2900> Bel Canto DAC-1 > Audible Illusions 3B > Rogue Atlas >ZU Wax Shotgun> Hyperion 938
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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #155 on: February 11, 2006, 05:36:51 AM »
I got tired of lead as it ruined numerous duffel bags of mine by ripping multiple holes.  I went with the battery from this thread:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=51457.0


I have been using it since Dec 29th & no problems. I just came home from recording over 4 hours & I still have 2 links left.  The show was only going to be about 2 hours but everyone decided to hang & it turned into a afterparty show :)

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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #156 on: February 11, 2006, 07:44:38 AM »
My FR2 was the second one Doug ever did, his was the first  ;D Mine has improved analog outs as well as better jacks. I have never listened to the analog out unfortunately but Doug did in fact change the analog section on mine as well as the ADC & gain stage. I think the FR2 is extremely easy to use & has the best meters out there, even better than Nick's Marantz. The only downside is the 12 volts.




as you know, i disagree about the meeters.  I"ve used both, and found the Marantz to be much nicer.  Plus, setting the levels was way easier w/the marantz.  I didnt' like the FR2 "trim", on top of the deck where you have to reach in and futz w/it...possible to hit other switches and stuff in the dark.
its also a big clunk of a box compared to the sleek little 671.  the 12v requirement sucks, and its as hungry as an AD1000 at 1amp / hour.  Ouch!!

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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #157 on: February 11, 2006, 09:16:23 AM »
Raoulduke,
Here is a quote from Doug about the gain controls...

I see a lot of FR-2 users who set the front panel record knob to 7. This kills 12 dB of gain thereby raising the noise floor. It is a bad idea, try running at 8, this still gives you 6 dB of level that can be applied from the front panel level control and gives you 6dB better SN ratio on the downstream side of the front panel attenuator. The front panel control is NOT a gain control, the only gain controls are the input trim knobs on the top of the deck. I bypassed the front panel control and the HPF/Limiter in my FR-2 and it sounds better. I set levels with the input gain controls. You can get closer to that and for free just by running your FR-2 as close to 10 on the front panel level control as possible.
Peace and good sound...Doug



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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #158 on: February 11, 2006, 12:29:57 PM »
too much bullshit to think about.  poorly designed gain stage, imo.  but that is from a taper perspective, for which it was not designed.  maybe the thing is brilliant.  what do I know.  other than "me no like"
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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #159 on: February 12, 2006, 03:09:39 PM »
Bah Humbug Nick! Your starting to sound like a grouchy old man  :P
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #160 on: March 02, 2006, 11:52:02 AM »
too much bullshit to think about.  poorly designed gain stage, imo.  but that is from a taper perspective, for which it was not designed.  maybe the thing is brilliant.  what do I know.  other than "me no like"

 Please update your website's review for the above statements.   ;D

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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #161 on: March 02, 2006, 12:00:51 PM »
Nick is just trying to justify his own purchase, with all the money he saved buying the "little" Marantz you would think he could afford a battery pack  ;D
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
Preamps: Grace Lunatec V2, Shure FP24
Decks: Tascam DR-2d, Zoom F8

Old rig: Recording: AKG C34 & AKG CK1X or CK2X > MK46 > 460 > Aeta Mix2000 > Sound Devices 702

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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #162 on: March 02, 2006, 12:05:21 PM »
too much bullshit to think about.  poorly designed gain stage, imo.  but that is from a taper perspective, for which it was not designed.  maybe the thing is brilliant.  what do I know.  other than "me no like"


 Please update your website's review for the above statements.   ;D

Nick is just trying to justify his own purchase, with all the money he saved buying the "little" Marantz you would think he could afford a battery pack  ;D


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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #163 on: March 02, 2006, 07:19:20 PM »
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dontchu talk shit about my 660.

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Re: Fr-2 Vs. SD 722
« Reply #164 on: March 02, 2006, 08:04:43 PM »
OK, I will blame it on Duracell, damn duracell!! Damn you copper top  ;D
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



Mics: Telefunken Elam 260, 61, 62, MBHO KA200, KA500 > Niant PFA's, AKG C34L-MS
Preamps: Grace Lunatec V2, Shure FP24
Decks: Tascam DR-2d, Zoom F8

Old rig: Recording: AKG C34 & AKG CK1X or CK2X > MK46 > 460 > Aeta Mix2000 > Sound Devices 702

Playback: Thorens TD125, Denon DVD-2900> Bel Canto DAC-1 > Audible Illusions 3B > Rogue Atlas >ZU Wax Shotgun> Hyperion 938
ALL TUBES BABY!!!

 

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