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need some stealth taping tips...
« on: March 07, 2005, 06:55:09 AM »
hello,

I'll be stealth taping a concert in a sport hall in a few days.
My equipment consists in a pair of omnis, a battery box w/bass-roll off and a MD.

I won't be able to clip the mics on the rims of my eyeglasses, as I want to be as close as possible to the soundboard table (but in the audience) and don't want to be caught by the security.

So my question is : How am I supposed to mount the mics in order to get the best stereo separation with my omnis (minus the binaural style technique, of course)?

thanks in advance ;)


Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
Battery box : SP-SPSB-6524 w/bass roll-off filter, MM-CBM-1
Preamp : Church Audio CA-9100
Recorders : Sony MZR-700PC, Edirol R-09HR, Tascam DR-2d

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Re: need some stealth taping tips...
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2005, 07:03:17 AM »
You could try making the stealth shirt:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=29393.0

or the following links may help, paying special attention to the stealth hats:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=15920.0
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Re: need some stealth taping tips...
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2005, 07:10:17 AM »
yeah, a stealth shirt like that is a great idea!
I was just wondering about the stereo effect that will result...
I'm running omnis. When using a true bianural technique, the head is behaving like a baffle. You get a really good setreo separation.

When using a stealth shirt, the stereo separation might not be as good, right?
Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
Battery box : SP-SPSB-6524 w/bass roll-off filter, MM-CBM-1
Preamp : Church Audio CA-9100
Recorders : Sony MZR-700PC, Edirol R-09HR, Tascam DR-2d

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Re: need some stealth taping tips...
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2005, 01:12:49 AM »
The shirt will work, but I have an even easier solution.  Wear a knit hat and a hooded sweatshirt.  Put the hood up and clip the mics to the bottom of the knit hat near your ears.  If you don't want to do this there's numerous other possibilities.  Something that will work in this situation though is to take a knit hat and make a small hole on either side near your ears and just pop the mics out there and clip them.  If it's a black hat especially nobody will notice the mics.  The security are usually not even looking for tapers and definately not taking a long look at everyone in the show.

If you're taping in an arena though, you may not want to run FOB.  If you're that far back from the stage, board usually near the rear of the hall, there is going to be much much much more reverb than you're going to want on your recording.  Try to postion yourself at about the spot where the sound from either side of the stage should intersect in the audience, this will be the sweet spot.  Anywhere else in a massive arena setting it's more than likely going to be a distant sounding recording.  If you do choose to run FOB, stand about 10 feet in front of the desk.  Also make sure your levels are not set too high on the MD to avoid any clipping.  As for the stereo effect, the binaural mics are supposed to replicate the sound that your ears would have heard so having them as far apart as your ears will have the same result as your glasses.  Shirt collar would be the same also.  It's the spacing of the mics that provide the binaural effect.  Any other questions I'll try to answer them.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2005, 01:15:38 AM by likwitkrazee »
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Re: need some stealth taping tips...
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2005, 02:23:18 AM »
+T for the quality post!
thank you very much guys!!!

Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
Battery box : SP-SPSB-6524 w/bass roll-off filter, MM-CBM-1
Preamp : Church Audio CA-9100
Recorders : Sony MZR-700PC, Edirol R-09HR, Tascam DR-2d

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Re: need some stealth taping tips...
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2005, 04:22:15 AM »
Who are you stealthing anyway?  Also what kind of gear do you have IE mics, box, recorder?
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Re: need some stealth taping tips...
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2005, 05:09:01 AM »
my gear : sp-bmc-12>sp battery box w/bass-roll off filter>Sony Mz-r700 MD

I'll be running through line-in.

« Last Edit: March 19, 2005, 12:48:51 PM by fandelive »
Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
Battery box : SP-SPSB-6524 w/bass roll-off filter, MM-CBM-1
Preamp : Church Audio CA-9100
Recorders : Sony MZR-700PC, Edirol R-09HR, Tascam DR-2d

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Re: need some stealth taping tips...
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2005, 01:42:31 AM »
I hope you also have a good audio editing program like soundforge because you're most likely going to be in need of some eq work on the recording.
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