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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #90 on: June 30, 2005, 08:05:10 AM »
Alright this is what I don't want.  I'd rather have a xlr>1/4 with a short cable.

If this was sticking out of the tracker, it would be longer than the tracker, wouldn't it?


those adapters wouldnt work as the 1/4" end arent TRS, those are mono.
this would work, though as you said I would also prefer one with a "cable" between the 2 ends:


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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #91 on: June 30, 2005, 09:12:21 AM »
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Note: All information listed here is preliminary and subject to change. The Flash Tracker is a small hand-held recorder, using Compact Flash and Micro-drive as media. Features known so far:
# 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
# 3.5mm jack mic in with 5V power for electret condenser mic
# SPDIF RCA input
# 3.5mm headphone jack
# RCA stereo out
# USB 2.0
# 24-bit 96kHz recording

Doesn't say the size of the TRS, but I know it does somewhere....
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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #92 on: June 30, 2005, 11:31:01 AM »
The TRS thing gets discussed on page 6 of the Flash Tracker Update thread:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=42786.75


As far as I can tell, everything pointing to the TRS jacks being 1/4" is just our speculation. 

i am going with the assumption that it is 2x 1/4" TRS jacks.  those are small and will make it very nice to stealth with.

I'd imagine that the TRS would be designed as 1/4", but who knows.  This preliminary mock-up for a trade show might be a bit different from the actual product.  For all we know they switched to use mini-XLRs.  I just wouldn't be buying or building input cables until we have a better idea.  Of course, easy for me to say since I plan on using the spdif input and won't need analog input on it right away.
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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #93 on: June 30, 2005, 11:48:24 AM »
That must have been the conversation I was thinking about. I thought it was actually somewhere else too, but oh well. As you said, we'll just have to wait and see. My hopes of having this for Lolla at the end of July are fading fast though. Oh well.
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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #94 on: June 30, 2005, 04:22:30 PM »
If you look carefully at the picture posted above you can actualy read tip ring sleeve 1/4" jack
on the card behind it

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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #95 on: June 30, 2005, 04:47:34 PM »
If you look carefully at the picture posted above you can actualy read tip ring sleeve 1/4" jack
on the card behind it

You see 1/4" on that?  I see:
"2 x TRS mic/line inputs ..."
"48V phantom power..."
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Re: Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #96 on: June 30, 2005, 05:21:24 PM »
If you look carefully at the picture posted above you can actualy read tip ring sleeve 1/4" jack
on the card behind it

You see 1/4" on that? I see:
"2 x TRS mic/line inputs ..."
"48V phantom power..."
...



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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #97 on: June 30, 2005, 05:26:57 PM »
Ok I added 1/4" assume you guys would know that TRS stands for Tip Ring Sleeve this refers to a Jack plug. I kinda assumed 1/4inch but heavens you might be right and its 3.5mm yuck.

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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #98 on: June 30, 2005, 05:34:15 PM »
Ok I added 1/4" assume you guys would know that TRS stands for Tip Ring Sleeve this refers to a Jack plug. I kinda assumed 1/4inch but heavens you might be right and its 3.5mm yuck.

they do know what that means, Jack.

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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #99 on: June 30, 2005, 06:15:28 PM »
Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.

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Re: Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #100 on: June 30, 2005, 07:19:36 PM »
Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.

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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #101 on: June 30, 2005, 07:23:42 PM »
Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.

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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2005, 01:30:55 AM »
Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.

Well I think you're going to have to educate me then, since as far as I'm concerned, you're dead wrong.  True phantom power does require 3 lines.  "Phantom power" has really become quite a stretched term, but originally it was developed by engineers at Neumann to provide power to condensor mics.  The actual standard developed by Neumann does require 3 connections, and it is technically only 48v (+/- 4v), not 12v or 24v or whatever, nor is it A-B 12v "T" powering -- though all those variations seem to be used to describe phantom power these days.  But phantom power is _not_ the same as bias power, and it does indeed require a 3 connection balanced signal.

The definition of phantom power is an equal voltage applied to pin-2 and pin-3 with respect to pin-1. (Thus phantom power does require a balanced connection between the mic and power supply.)  The point of phantom power is that it can be used to power condensor mics, but it has no effect whatsoever when balanced dynamic microphones (properly connected) are attached to the circuit.  An unbalanced dynamic microphone will be affected by phantom power (although the microphone will probably not be damaged, it will not work properly).  Ditto if you tried to set up some variation of phantom power that only used two connections -- you could use it to power a condensor microphone, but the same circuit would cause problems if a dynamic mic were hooked up to it.

As I said, the original phantom power standard was developed by Neumann and was very specific.  At this point there are several different phantom power standards set up by AES, but all of them require balanced connections.  If you know of any phantom powering schemes which do not require balanced connections that are recognized by AES as actual "phantom power" standards, I'd like to here about them.
 
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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #103 on: July 01, 2005, 09:50:17 AM »
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Re: M Audio Flash Tracker Recorder Update
« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2005, 10:15:22 AM »
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