Topic: Edirol R-09

[gewwang]

on another note, how does the r1 adc stack up against the v3 adc? anyone done a comp?

I have run v3 @24/48 vs r1 @ 24/44 and couldn't notice much difference and certainly not enough to justify keeping the v3.

Edirol should pay you comission!   

If the new one comes out before May, I will have bought 3 of their recorders in the last 12 months, they should have a Points program like Best Buy Rewards for me.

[blackmikito]

This box isn't a step up for Edirol, but a step to the side.
Yes, the smaller size and 48khz additions are great.
But, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, this unit falls short in it's use of digital "buttons" for level control rather than a manual dial like the R-1.

This is a shortcoming when compared to the functionality of the R-1. If the R-09 offered a digi-in, this would be a non-issue, since it would be used as a bit-bucket, like the MT and JB3 are used, with levels set by an external pre running digi-out to the recorder.
But since the R-09 has no digi-in, the "best" rig set-up on it would be using an external pre going analog-in to the 1/8th inch input and having to use these digital level control buttons in conjunction with the levels on the pre.  Which means the unit is slave to the same analog-in quality of the R-1, but without the same fine-tuning flexibility of the dial. No taping down of levels, and reliance on whatever the quality of the digital level controls give to the unit.  

The R-1 still has this one beat.

[nickgregory]

2 boxes.  Crotchability gets dicey when you have a long hoof from the parking lot, like SPAC's.    

dan, the at's can run from 9>48v of phantom power, so your setup would be at853rx > r09.  no need for the ps2/ad20 anymore with this setup.  the only thing is you'd need an adapter to go from dual xlr > 1/8" in.  i dunno if that type of adaptation is a no-no though, we're still waiting for someone to clarify.

if your un at853rxs without a full 48V you will run into distortion issues

[cpatch]

2 boxes.  Crotchability gets dicey when you have a long hoof from the parking lot, like SPAC's.    

dan, the at's can run from 9>48v of phantom power, so your setup would be at853rx > r09.  no need for the ps2/ad20 anymore with this setup.  the only thing is you'd need an adapter to go from dual xlr > 1/8" in.  i dunno if that type of adaptation is a no-no though, we're still waiting for someone to clarify.

Did I miss something? I thought the R09 was only providing 5V of power through the mic jack...that's what the rep said in the NAMM demo video.

Craig

[spyder9]

2 boxes.  Crotchability gets dicey when you have a long hoof from the parking lot, like SPAC's.    

dan, the at's can run from 9>48v of phantom power, so your setup would be at853rx > r09.  no need for the ps2/ad20 anymore with this setup.  the only thing is you'd need an adapter to go from dual xlr > 1/8" in.  i dunno if that type of adaptation is a no-no though, we're still waiting for someone to clarify.

if your un at853rxs without a full 48V you will run into distortion issues

Thanks Nick.  I didn't know that.   

[spyder9]

2 boxes.  Crotchability gets dicey when you have a long hoof from the parking lot, like SPAC's.    

dan, the at's can run from 9>48v of phantom power, so your setup would be at853rx > r09.  no need for the ps2/ad20 anymore with this setup.  the only thing is you'd need an adapter to go from dual xlr > 1/8" in.  i dunno if that type of adaptation is a no-no though, we're still waiting for someone to clarify.

Tim, I doubt the R09 is gonna provide 2 channel phantom power.  It will be like the R-1, you need a pre, is my guess.  480s > MP2 > R09 or with the 853RXs, is so damn enticing.  This battle in my mind might go on, until hopefully, someday, Marantz debuts a 661.  Either way, I'm making a move to CF recording before summer.

[nickgregory]

2 boxes.  Crotchability gets dicey when you have a long hoof from the parking lot, like SPAC's.    

dan, the at's can run from 9>48v of phantom power, so your setup would be at853rx > r09.  no need for the ps2/ad20 anymore with this setup.  the only thing is you'd need an adapter to go from dual xlr > 1/8" in.  i dunno if that type of adaptation is a no-no though, we're still waiting for someone to clarify.

if your un at853rxs without a full 48V you will run into distortion issues

no shit, i did not know that.  you sure nick?  i thought the at8533 module that's terminated at the end of the cabling steps whatever phantom voltage is sent to it down to 9 volts; any more than that and the mic would fry.  i dont see how giving it a p48 or 30 volts would matter.  can you elaborate?

I dont know about that....I know that when I ran the 853RX with the MP2, I once had the V set to 15V instead of 48V and I got all kinds of distortion

[pfife]

2 boxes.  Crotchability gets dicey when you have a long hoof from the parking lot, like SPAC's.    

dan, the at's can run from 9>48v of phantom power, so your setup would be at853rx > r09.  no need for the ps2/ad20 anymore with this setup.  the only thing is you'd need an adapter to go from dual xlr > 1/8" in.  i dunno if that type of adaptation is a no-no though, we're still waiting for someone to clarify.

if your un at853rxs without a full 48V you will run into distortion issues

no shit, i did not know that.  you sure nick?  i thought the at8533 module that's terminated at the end of the cabling steps whatever phantom voltage is sent to it down to 9 volts; any more than that and the mic would fry.  i dont see how giving it a p48 or 30 volts would matter.  can you elaborate?

I dont know about that....I know that when I ran the 853RX with the MP2, I once had the V set to 15V instead of 48V and I got all kinds of distortion

I've read what nick is saying, but its primarily in conjunction w/ a sound pros bb.  I think the at8533 comes on the at853 standard, and runs them at 48v, not something less than 48v.  But, I could be completely wrong.  That's just what I've thought.

[pfife]

This box isn't a step up for Edirol, but a step to the side.
Yes, the smaller size and 48khz additions are great.
But, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, this unit falls short in it's use of digital "buttons" for level control rather than a manual dial like the R-1.

This is a shortcoming when compared to the functionality of the R-1. If the R-09 offered a digi-in, this would be a non-issue, since it would be used as a bit-bucket, like the MT and JB3 are used, with levels set by an external pre running digi-out to the recorder.
But since the R-09 has no digi-in, the "best" rig set-up on it would be using an external pre going analog-in to the 1/8th inch input and having to use these digital level control buttons in conjunction with the levels on the pre.  Which means the unit is slave to the same analog-in quality of the R-1, but without the same fine-tuning flexibility of the dial. No taping down of levels, and reliance on whatever the quality of the digital level controls give to the unit. 

The R-1 still has this one beat.

For someone with an external adc, its definately a step to the side.  But, for someone relying on its adc, its a step up - which is the situation I'm in.  While I understand your issue with the digital buttons, the flip side of it is that the levels possibly could be locked since its digital, whereas they can't on the R-1.

[nickgregory]

2 boxes.  Crotchability gets dicey when you have a long hoof from the parking lot, like SPAC's.    

dan, the at's can run from 9>48v of phantom power, so your setup would be at853rx > r09.  no need for the ps2/ad20 anymore with this setup.  the only thing is you'd need an adapter to go from dual xlr > 1/8" in.  i dunno if that type of adaptation is a no-no though, we're still waiting for someone to clarify.

if your un at853rxs without a full 48V you will run into distortion issues

no shit, i did not know that.  you sure nick?  i thought the at8533 module that's terminated at the end of the cabling steps whatever phantom voltage is sent to it down to 9 volts; any more than that and the mic would fry.  i dont see how giving it a p48 or 30 volts would matter.  can you elaborate?

I dont know about that....I know that when I ran the 853RX with the MP2, I once had the V set to 15V instead of 48V and I got all kinds of distortion

I've read what nick is saying, but its primarily in conjunction w/ a sound pros bb.  I think the at8533 comes on the at853 standard, and runs them at 48v, not something less than 48v.  But, I could be completely wrong.  That's just what I've thought.

I did have massive problems with distortion with the SP batt box powered option...maybe the 15V from the MP2 was attributable to other factors.  I didnt test it again after that...

[nickgregory]

fair enough, guess the problems I had were other factors...was the chili peppers and I was 15 feet in front of the bass cabinet, so maybe that was it...I just had so many problems with the SP mics I assumed it was the mic specs

[pfife]

I stand corrected as well... but, with what I've read from many people around here, I still think that you won't get the same results at 9v that you would at 48...

[Evil Taper]

sooo....if you guys already have an ADC that feeds digitally to your MT why are you wanting to switch recorders?  the R1 is at least good enough to do my stealthing with but if all you do is open tape then why not invest in something more high end?

[cpatch]

sooo....if you guys already have an ADC that feeds digitally to your MT why are you wanting to switch recorders?  the R1 is at least good enough to do my stealthing with but if all you do is open tape then why not invest in something more high end?

Speaking for myself (obviously!):

- I don't just open tape...I want something good enough and flexible enough to be able to handle different scenarios.
- I'd rather have a clean preamp and decent ADC in an all-in-one MT/R09-sized device than have to deal with separate devices.
- I'm willing to go more high end to a point, but right now there is no step up from the MT/R09 in the same form factor that I've seen.

Craig

[aberg]

This box isn't a step up for Edirol, but a step to the side.
Yes, the smaller size and 48khz additions are great.
But, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, this unit falls short in it's use of digital "buttons" for level control rather than a manual dial like the R-1.

This is a shortcoming when compared to the functionality of the R-1. If the R-09 offered a digi-in, this would be a non-issue, since it would be used as a bit-bucket, like the MT and JB3 are used, with levels set by an external pre running digi-out to the recorder.
But since the R-09 has no digi-in, the "best" rig set-up on it would be using an external pre going analog-in to the 1/8th inch input and having to use these digital level control buttons in conjunction with the levels on the pre.  Which means the unit is slave to the same analog-in quality of the R-1, but without the same fine-tuning flexibility of the dial. No taping down of levels, and reliance on whatever the quality of the digital level controls give to the unit. 

The R-1 still has this one beat.

This is an excellent point. My R-1 is set perfectly in sync with the MP-2 level meters now with the manual dial taped down. If the R-09 can't easily be calibrated to a pre due to the digital button levels, then I agree that the R-1 is better, especially if you don't care about 44.1 vs 48 khz, which I don't.