Topic: Edirol R-09

[tooldvn]

CF is there now.   Never said that SD would never hit 8gb, but I'll wait until SD comes out with one, then I'll reconsider.

-dvn

[Stauf]

Wow.  What are you taping that you can't switch cards every 6 hours?  So much so that it is a deal breaker.  I can understand wanting 4GB, I want it myself but 8GB seems a bit high for a requirement unless the thing does more than stereo recording.  Seems to me the R-1 or the MicroTrack suits your needs.  The R-09 will certainly fit mine.  Thank you "Taper's Section" you guys have filled in the gaps of a lot of questions I had on the R-09.

[tooldvn]

6?   24/48 will use up 4gb in just about 4 hours.     I am currently using the MT and as such, I should stop commenting in the R-9 thread. ;-)   

I was just posting a possible reason as to the other guys comment that he wished they used CF instead of SD.

Btw... looks like the upper limit according to sdcard.com will be 32gb, but not for awhile... the 6gb starts at 2007 and drifts off into whoknowswhen land...



-dvn

[SunWizard]

You can use SD cards in any CF device with a simple, cheap adapter.  But you can't put CF cards into a SD device.  So that makes SD much more useful if you are thinking of compatibility with more devices in the future.  I already have many of both kinds of cards, but if I am spending the big bucks on the latest large size cards like 4GB I want to be able to use it in all my devices, and future ones too, which seem to be more and more SD card based.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

That's good to know.. I wonder if that impacts the performance in any way or causes complications while recording.

[prof_peabody]

It seems like more devices use CF than SD.  I already have 4gb of cf and am considering a nikon dslr that would also use cf.. My current camera uses cf.  My 722 uses CF.  My mt uses CF.  So not much interest in buying sd.

I think most of the new point and shoot cameras use SD.  Each media has its advantages and disadvanges.  In the past SD was definitely faster than CF, but that may have changed with the newer faster CF cards.  SD is also smaller than CF type II.

[jcrab66]

if only they would of used CF as the media....

Why?

Craig

uh, because i have a buttload of CF memory and no SD and I dont feel like buying more digi cards that i will only be able to use in a single device. Right now I can use CF in the MT and the HD-P2

[Stauf]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0603/06030902panasonic4gbsdhc.asp

Does this article make sense to people?  This is claiming that the jump to 4GB on Secure Digital is tough due to the fact that the SD specifications originally were capped at 1GB.  I assume this is why Edirol actually has development requirements to support cards of 4GB.  The thing I don't understand about this SDHC is what it is fixing.  The articale claims  "addressing anything over 2 GB became the next problem."  Does this mean these cards are fixing the 2GB file size limitation, or just addressing the whole 4GB of space.  If the former is true, it doesn't really matter as I understand wav itself has a 2GB file size limit (or do I have more misinformation on that one).  If it is the later, what is difference between this Panasonic card and the existing 4GB SD cards?  Will the Edirol R-09 support both kinds of 4GB cards?

Personally, I want the Edirol R-09 with a 4GB card.  I'd pre-order one if I knew support was going to be present.

[spyder9]

I guess the big question is: is the R09 a SDHC device?  If it is, no biggie.

[live2496]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0603/06030902panasonic4gbsdhc.asp

Does this article make sense to people?  This is claiming that the jump to 4GB on Secure Digital is tough due to the fact that the SD specifications originally were capped at 1GB.  I assume this is why Edirol actually has development requirements to support cards of 4GB.  The thing I don't understand about this SDHC is what it is fixing.  The articale claims  "addressing anything over 2 GB became the next problem."  Does this mean these cards are fixing the 2GB file size limitation, or just addressing the whole 4GB of space.  If the former is true, it doesn't really matter as I understand wav itself has a 2GB file size limit (or do I have more misinformation on that one).  If it is the later, what is difference between this Panasonic card and the existing 4GB SD cards?  Will the Edirol R-09 support both kinds of 4GB cards?

Personally, I want the Edirol R-09 with a 4GB card.  I'd pre-order one if I knew support was going to be present.

It seems to be something newer and faster, albeit with support for DRM. Some news was on Engadget...
http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/06/sdhc-to-boost-sd-capacities-befuddle-consumers/

The 2gb limitations regarding SD I expect are based upon physical design not on FAT16/FAT32/Windows Media limits.

Gordon

[cpatch]

The 2gb limitations regarding SD I expect are based upon physical design not on FAT16/FAT32/Windows Media limits.

2GB is the physical limitation of a 32-bit address bus. (That's my geek statement of the day.)

Craig

[Ziggz]

I think I'm going to cry (from SP):

Well we finally have heard from Edirol with some info about the R-09s.  Unfortunately, the date has been pused back from "some time in April" to "some time in May".

and

...anyone who receives this email will not receive their recorders with the first shipment.  You are in the next batch to go after the first 25 however. The second shipment should be arriving in June or so.

[joekar]

I pre-ordered a R-1 and waited forever....Edirol is a little slow but they work great,,,,I can't wait to play with a R-9......I sold my MT to make room.... It will probably ship before August (hehehehe)

[George]

I think I'm going to cry (from SP):

Well we finally have heard from Edirol with some info about the R-09s.  Unfortunately, the date has been pused back from "some time in April" to "some time in May".

and

...anyone who receives this email will not receive their recorders with the first shipment.  You are in the next batch to go after the first 25 however. The second shipment should be arriving in June or so.

Damn, that sucks!  I'll definitely be in line to buy one though when its available.

[phr]

SD had a 1GB limit that somehow got extended to 2GB.  Most older devices will NOT accept cards larger than 1GB.  The upgrade from 2GB to 4GB needed a hardware change.  If Edirol mentioned a 2GB maximum in the R09, assume that they mean it until they say otherwise.  It's not like CF where "2GB maximum" (former spec for the PMD660) meant "they didn't have a 4GB card in the shop and haven't tested it yet".  4GB SD cards are incompatible with older equipment and my guess is that if an upgrade is possible, it will require sending the unit to the shop for a hardware mod.  Nonetheless, 4GB isn't so terrible-- even at 24/48 it's over 5 hours of recording, and in mp3 it's near-unlimited. 

What I really want to know and nobody has said is how long you can record without a battery swap (assume two 2500 mAH AA NiMH cells).  With the PMD660, I can record for 6+ hours (maybe almost 8 hours if I push it) on four AA's, and in fact I do that all the time.  I'd like it they made some kind of accessory battery pack for these things like some digicams have, that held 8 AA's or whatever, allowing 12+ hours nonstop recording (in mp3).  Yes, I really do want to do that, at all-day or all-night events.  The PMD660 is not the greatest machine I can imagine, but its battery runtime is pretty good, at least double the R-1's from what I understand.

The R-1 manual also said that the recording could get screwed up if the recorder wasn't shut off properly, i.e. if you just let it run til the batteries crap out, the file can get clobbered.  I hope they fixed that with the R09.  This is one of the reasons I bought the PMD660 instead of the R-1.  I've let the batteries in the PMD660 crap out many times and nothing bad has happened, the file just ends when the power ran out.