Topic: DSBD??? is this correct???

[tapinfool]

DSBD???

is it sbd>rca>ua-5>optical>jb3???

is this correct??  will this work??

if so...i'm on for lotus tonight

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sounds good to me. good luck!

DSBD = digital soundboard, right?

[BobW]

My understanding is tha DSBD has meant a digital recording from the Board, as opposed to an analog recording such as a SBD cassette.

Now that Digital mics, digital SBDs, etc. are starting to surface, it may be time to question the convention.

[cyfan]

I always thought DSBD meant the recorder was taking a digital feed straight from the board into the digital recording device.
Running SBD > rca > UA-5 > JB3, takes an analog signal from the soundboard into the UA-5 where it is converted to a digital feed for the JB3, right?. I've only run across one soundboard that had a digital out, and that was at a house party. I wound up using the rca analog jacks anyway because I wasn't sure what I'd get from the toslink optical jack.

DAUD would imply digital microphones to me. But I guess everyone has their own ideas...

[jeromejello]

I always thought DSBD meant the recorder was taking a digital feed straight from the board into the digital recording device.
Running SBD > rca > UA-5 > JB3, takes an analog signal from the soundboard into the UA-5 where it is converted to a digital feed for the JB3, right?. I've only run across one soundboard that had a digital out, and that was at a house party. I wound up using the rca analog jacks anyway because I wasn't sure what I'd get from the toslink optical jack.

DAUD would imply digital microphones to me. But I guess everyone has their own ideas...

i always assumed (and this is from pre-taping, maxell xl-IIs dead tape trading days) that DAUD was audience sourced (mics) into a digital recorder (dat) vs the AUD which was just mics into an analog source (reel to reel or cassette)
DSBD was a board source into a digital recorder while SBD was an analog recording.

now that technology has changed, i am not sure if these terms would be accurate... in reference to the quoted post, where there are digi outs on boards and the advent of digital mics (although not widely used).

i will continue to call the things as i am used to until i see a reason not to...

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

I used to use the DSBD and ASBD for SBD>digital master and SBD>analog master when I was trading cassettes.

I think with modern lineage, it is irrelevent since most often than not the taper's source explains what was analog and what was digital.

SBD>RCA>UA5>Optical>JB3 = DSBD
SBD>RCA>line-in>JB3 = ASBD

Terry

[cyfan]

I think with modern lineage, it is irrelevent since most often than not the taper's source explains what was analog and what was digital.

SBD>RCA>UA5>Optical>JB3 = DSBD
SBD>RCA>line-in>JB3 = ASBD

Why wouldn't both of these be DSBD?
Both of them are digitally encoded to the JB3 hard drive.
The difference is the UA-5 does the encording in example one and the JB3 does the encoding in sample 2.
Obviously, the UA-5 does a much better job of it tho...

[JiB97]

I think with modern lineage, it is irrelevent since most often than not the taper's source explains what was analog and what was digital.

SBD>RCA>UA5>Optical>JB3 = DSBD
SBD>RCA>line-in>JB3 = ASBD

Why wouldn't both of these be DSBD?
Both of them are digitally encoded to the JB3 hard drive.
The difference is the UA-5 does the encording in example one and the JB3 does the encoding in sample 2.
Obviously, the UA-5 does a much better job of it tho...

Ya, thats what I always thought.  As long as no analog media was used to store it, it is a digital source.

[stigs]

not that it matters much, but i always figured that once you throw RCA's into the lineage, it cant be a DSBD (because RCA's are analog)

DSBD - soundboard straight to a digital recorder, no A/D

[easy jim]

not that it matters much, but i always figured that once you throw RCA's into the lineage, it cant be a DSBD (because RCA's are analog)

DSBD - soundboard straight to a digital recorder, no A/D

The XLR or 1/4" cables typically used for a SBD feed are analog, as are the XLR mic cables used in front of any pre-amp and A/D converter.  A direct digital connection out of a purely digital soundboard would still have tons of analog connections on its front end for all the inputs from the stage.  The relevant issue is the media/recording device used for mastering and whether generational loss is inherent in any later copy made from the master source. 

[bconnolly]

The XLR or 1/4" cables typically used for a SBD feed are analog, as are the XLR mic cables used in front of any pre-amp and A/D converter.  A direct digital connection out of a purely digital soundboard would still have tons of analog connections on its front end for all the inputs from the stage.  The relevant issue is the media/recording device used for mastering and whether generational loss is inherent in any later copy made from the master source. 

Unless the band you're recording only uses MIDI keyboards and the vocalist is a robot who sings in binary.

Pure DSBD BABY!

[wboswell]

not that it matters much, but i always figured that once you throw RCA's into the lineage, it cant be a DSBD (because RCA's are analog)

DSBD - soundboard straight to a digital recorder, no A/D

The XLR or 1/4" cables typically used for a SBD feed are analog, as are the XLR mic cables used in front of any pre-amp and A/D converter.  A direct digital connection out of a purely digital soundboard would still have tons of analog connections on its front end for all the inputs from the stage.  The relevant issue is the media/recording device used for mastering and whether generational loss is inherent in any later copy made from the master source. 

Well put!

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

I think with modern lineage, it is irrelevent since most often than not the taper's source explains what was analog and what was digital.

SBD>RCA>UA5>Optical>JB3 = DSBD
SBD>RCA>line-in>JB3 = ASBD

Why wouldn't both of these be DSBD?
Both of them are digitally encoded to the JB3 hard drive.
The difference is the UA-5 does the encording in example one and the JB3 does the encoding in sample 2.
Obviously, the UA-5 does a much better job of it tho...

No, you are correct, and I was mistaken - both of those would be DSBDs... 

To rethink this, I'd say that 99.9% of sources today are DSBDs, in that they originate from a digital source.

Terry

[cyfan]

Unless the band you're recording only uses MIDI keyboards and the vocalist is a robot who sings in binary.

Pure DSBD BABY!

Hell yeah!! I think I saw those guys awhile back.

[taperroy]

been taping quite a while, and id have to agree with jerome..

 dsbd-  always meant a soundboard recording that was mastered on a digital machine, be it digitally encoded pcm beta, or dat tape.

asbd-  a soundboard recording mastered on analog (cassette) tape

aud- an audience recording recorded on an analog tape deck
 
daud- an audience recording mastered on a digital tape deck