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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #180 on: March 20, 2006, 02:43:24 PM »
I just hit record twice, the unit does it as fast as it can.  Keeps the operator error low

That feature was added in 1.2.3 and it is what I do.

But there's a bug with it.  If you turn off the HOLD switch, hit rec twice, turn on HOLD, it will fail to start the new recording.  It saves the rec just fine but then it apparently checks the state of the hold switch before starting the new rec and throws a 'hold switch is on error'.   So you really have to wait to throw the HOLD back on.. Definitely a chance for error in the dark or when you aren't even pulling it out of your pocket to do it.


Exact reason I don't use my hold button. My state of mind is usually a little off by the time I have to take the hold button off, and I forget to do it. I'm not stealthing, my shit usually doesn't ever get moved.
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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #181 on: March 20, 2006, 07:57:52 PM »
doing some testing at home with firmware 1.3.3 and testing the autoplit

running V3 via s/pdif > MT2496 @24/48

when the recording hits ~01:55:00 it saves the file and starts a new one (takes about 5 seconds) but the new file shows only ~05:30 as the available time remaining to record....once that fills up it says MEDIA FULL  :-\
-tried this twice with the hold button off and the hold button engaged....same results  :-\

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works fine if I do it manually (hitting record twice quickly)
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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #182 on: March 21, 2006, 12:58:52 AM »
doing some testing at home with firmware 1.3.3 and testing the autoplit

running V3 via s/pdif > MT2496 @24/48

when the recording hits ~01:55:00 it saves the file and starts a new one (takes about 5 seconds) but the new file shows only ~05:30 as the available time remaining to record....once that fills up it says MEDIA FULL  :-\
-tried this twice with the hold button off and the hold button engaged....same results  :-\
What size is the CF card? Free space?
Did you report this to M-Audio?

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #183 on: March 21, 2006, 01:43:11 AM »
doing some testing at home with firmware 1.3.3 and testing the autoplit

running V3 via s/pdif > MT2496 @24/48

when the recording hits ~01:55:00 it saves the file and starts a new one (takes about 5 seconds) but the new file shows only ~05:30 as the available time remaining to record....once that fills up it says MEDIA FULL  :-\
-tried this twice with the hold button off and the hold button engaged....same results  :-\
What size is the CF card? Free space?
Did you report this to M-Audio?


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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #184 on: March 21, 2006, 12:17:29 PM »
Ran 24/96 last night - f yeah!!! I dig it. I've been running 24/48, and wanted to try 96 - sounds nice!

Luckily, the band ran 53min to the nose, so  I was A-OK re new file.


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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #185 on: March 21, 2006, 05:46:01 PM »
Due to the lack of space left on the CF Card, i recorded MP3 320 kbit today.
Since the situation was very stealthy, I had to keep the recorder in my pocket.
The unit ran out of power -> file has length 0 bytes, seems to be lost completely.
Wouldn't have happened with my DAT recorder ...  :(

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #186 on: March 21, 2006, 05:54:56 PM »
You may be able to recover that file.  Don't let anything write to the drive. I know I've seen some threads on this.  The jb3 has a repair feature for these cases.  The MT allows your computer to directly access the flash.  So you can use windows file system repair programs.  The archives are your friend.

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #187 on: March 22, 2006, 12:16:42 AM »
so that's the good news.  the bad news came earlier in the night.  For the first time since using the MicroTrack, I lost a recording.  for the opening act, I was running a 1 gig regular Sandisk CF card (not Ultra II or III or whatever, just a plain Sandisk).  I've used this card many times for opening acts, but in the past, I've always run at 16 bit from the V3 (via S/PDIF) for the opener, giving me an hour and a half of recording time.  well these opening acts for Club d'Elf usually only run 45 minutes or so, so I thought I'd give 24/48 a whirl for the opener as well.  Also, Scott and Rob were both recording as well, so I knew that if anything went wrong, I could just get a copy from them.  this recording mysteriously stopped at 29:24.  by that time, I thought it was going smoothly, and was just enjoying the music and not looking at my gear, so I didn't notice that it had stopped until the end of the set.  However, I don't want to chalk this one up to the MicroTrack firmware, because I have a feeling that the standard Sandisk card just couldn't maintain the write speed needed for 24/48.  because I have never ran 24/48 with this card before, it's hard to say for sure.  but because both sets for the Club d'Elf went smoothly and perfectly with the Ultra II card, the only difference was the card, and I'll just have to continue to run 16 bit for the opening act, until I get another faster card.  oh, also, just FWIW, the 29 minutes that I did record, the channels were not swapped, and it sounds great, no clicks, pops nor any other signs that the card couldn't keep up with the sustained data rate.

does anyone else have any ideas or thoughts about it?  as I said, I'm pretty sure it's an issue with the card, and not the MT, but if anyone has had similar experiences, I'd love to hear them...

OK, so my initial response might have been premature.  I had exactly the same issue Sunday night, but I was using a 1GB SanDisk Ultra II card.  My recording stopped unexpectedly at 29:24.010.  I'm using 1.3.3 firmware, running digital in from a T+ UA-5.  Curious that the 4GB Ultra II card was fine, but my 1GB card was not.  I had also formatted the card just prior to recording.  Anyone else experience this with this brand?

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #188 on: March 22, 2006, 04:54:10 AM »
You may be able to recover that file.  Don't let anything write to the drive. I know I've seen some threads on this.  The jb3 has a repair feature for these cases.  The MT allows your computer to directly access the flash.  So you can use windows file system repair programs.  The archives are your friend.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=59414.msg784095#msg784095

Tried that. Did not work.

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #189 on: March 22, 2006, 01:50:53 PM »
I'm beginning to get very nervous. I once lost a recording with firmware 1.1.5 (I think). When I upgraded to 1.2.3 I wasn't able to duplicate that problem (it would lose recordings if you recorded to Media Full status, but it didn't crap out partway through).

Now I'm on 1.3.3 and there are all these reports from other users about lost recordings. I'm starting to feel iffy about this firmware -- even though it has been solid for me so far (I only used it a couple times since 1.3.3 though)

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #190 on: March 22, 2006, 01:54:09 PM »
Due to the lack of space left on the CF Card, i recorded MP3 320 kbit today.
Since the situation was very stealthy, I had to keep the recorder in my pocket.
The unit ran out of power -> file has length 0 bytes, seems to be lost completely.
Wouldn't have happened with my DAT recorder ...  :(

its still there, just no file header was written so you'll have to open as raw file
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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #191 on: March 22, 2006, 02:51:51 PM »
Due to the lack of space left on the CF Card, i recorded MP3 320 kbit today.
Since the situation was very stealthy, I had to keep the recorder in my pocket.
The unit ran out of power -> file has length 0 bytes, seems to be lost completely.
Wouldn't have happened with my DAT recorder ...  :(

its still there, just no file header was written so you'll have to open as raw file

Sorry to hear that you lost a file. Maybe with some of the other's suggestions it's retrievable.   I thought I'd try and reproduce your situation and see if this problem happens all the time or maybe only some of the time.  I've had it run out of power on me before but it's always saved the file before shutting down.  It's always been wav files too though I think. 

So back to your situation. Were you recording from the S/PDIF or one of the analog ports?  You mentioned that you had it set to 320 kbit, was that 44.1 or 48k? Was the hodl switch on or off? What brand and size of CF card were you using?  How much space was left and how long do you think it recorded before it shut off (you're best guess if you have no idea or at least something like "it was no longer than x because that's when I notcied it was off").

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #192 on: March 23, 2006, 09:22:53 AM »
Due to the lack of space left on the CF Card, i recorded MP3 320 kbit today.
Since the situation was very stealthy, I had to keep the recorder in my pocket.
The unit ran out of power -> file has length 0 bytes, seems to be lost completely.
Wouldn't have happened with my DAT recorder ...  :(

its still there, just no file header was written so you'll have to open as raw file

Sorry to hear that you lost a file. Maybe with some of the other's suggestions it's retrievable.   I thought I'd try and reproduce your situation and see if this problem happens all the time or maybe only some of the time.  I've had it run out of power on me before but it's always saved the file before shutting down.  It's always been wav files too though I think. 

So back to your situation. Were you recording from the S/PDIF or one of the analog ports?  You mentioned that you had it set to 320 kbit, was that 44.1 or 48k? Was the hodl switch on or off? What brand and size of CF card were you using?  How much space was left and how long do you think it recorded before it shut off (you're best guess if you have no idea or at least something like "it was no longer than x because that's when I notcied it was off").

Perhaps the problem was that I used an external Battery. The recorder showing something to 1/2 of battery left, so I connected an unregulated 5 Volt Battery via Mini USB.
It was 44.1 khz 320kbit MP3. 1/8 In. I watched the unit record the first ~2-3 minutes and everything worked fine. Hold was enabled. I checked again after about 3 hours and the unit was off then. At home, i connected
the MT to my PC. The file was there but it has length 0 bytes. I tried all the checkdisk stuff from windows but it didn't change anything. The CF Card was fragmented before recording, there were some files on it,
and i deleted some of them just before the recording. I did not format the CF since I needed some of the files that i recorded previously.
I use an ExtreMemory 2GB CF Card (80x).

I'll try to reproduce the problem, but that will take some time. I think the unit might try to save the file whenever it senses the internal battery going down. I fear that in my case the external
battery was going out of power, and the MT could not detect that. I thought 2400 mAh 5 Volt (NiMH)  should be sufficient for 3 hours, but maybe there is a lot of loss because the internal LI Akku is loaded from the external one or something.
I didn't check the external battery Voltage, sorry, forgot about that. Since after the 3 hours the unit was not booting with external connected, i think it was dead.

It's nice to hear that you ran out of power and it saved your .wav files. Perhaps the problem occurs only with MP3, who knows. I record WAV most of the time.
It was just a meeting, no music, so it's not such a big problem. I like to record meetings and then hear afterwards how things were going, gives me another perspective and helps me improving my skills.

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its still there, just no file header was written so you'll have to open as raw file

No it's not. Its a 0 byte file. There is nothing. If it was the only file and the card was not fragmented, there might have been a chance to edit the FAT or something in order to read the card. Since MP3 is a streaming format this should work as well as reading a Wav file, even if you start from the middle.

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #193 on: March 23, 2006, 11:17:22 AM »
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its still there, just no file header was written so you'll have to open as raw file

No it's not. Its a 0 byte file. There is nothing. If it was the only file and the card was not fragmented, there might have been a chance to edit the FAT or something in order to read the card. Since MP3 is a streaming format this should work as well as reading a Wav file, even if you start from the middle.

Are you sure it's a 0 byte long file?  I recreated your problem but for me, the file is the proper length (when viewing the properties under Windows) but with the MT GUI it shows as being a 0 'second' long file and is unplayable.  I haven't tried futzing with the file headers or anything to try and get the file playable yet though.

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Re: Microtrack 24/96 1.3.3
« Reply #194 on: March 23, 2006, 12:08:41 PM »
When I got 0 byte files during testing, the solution was to run "chkdsk /f I:"  (I: being the drive letter of my MT). It would then fix the file and it'd be the correct length, but of course no .wav header. So I'd rename the file to filename.raw and open it in Audition as a Raw PCM, and then save it out as a WAV. And I never lost any audio that way.

 

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