Thanx for the tip on the correct version, i tried it, and have now backed up to version 1.4b28. im still running 10.3.9 because of some issues 10.4 has with some design programs, we've finally gone to it at work, though its been a hassle, and i never use all the silly "new" stuff. Whats a widget anyway, I think i'll stick with the regular old calculator for now!