Topic: DPA 4060's vs. 4061's

[Arni99]

A decent preamp (DPA, CA, SP etc) should fix the problem with overloading no?

I think the Sony DAT recorders mic-in overloaded from time to time ....speaking of the TOOL recording on dime.
Shouldn´t be a problem for the Edirol´s R09 LINE-IN or a RH1´s LINE-IN.
Of course cranking up the preamp too high may overload these LINE-IN inputs aswell.
As always it´s a process of try and error and learning to handle your gear according to the SPL at the specific show you are taping.

[Arni99]

Yes, and it also overloaded the mic input of the Sony M1 DAT, unless you used an attenuator cable with it.  I suspect the same is true of most of the current crop of solid state and hard drive recorders.  But if you use the DPA preamp (MMA6000) with it the 4060 is golden pretty much everywhere. 

Jeff

Edirol R09 mic in also has tons of headroom.  I've never tried DPA, but it is impossible to overload it with any reasonable signal.

  Richard

thats correct richard.
i used my dpa 4061 + 12v bbox on the R09´s mic-in taping 20m in front of the right stack ...blood sweat and tears with lots of bass+drum coming from the stack.
no problem for neither my 4061s nor my r09 preamp.

on line-in "MY" 4061´s are not sensitive enough even for loud shows.

[Arni99]

hi DPA-gurus 

I´m "in danger" of purchasing a matched pair DPA 4060 from core-sound (without the CS-bbox)terminated to a right-angle-plug and want to use them for silent stuff AND for amplified rock shows.
I usually place myself somewhere near the soundboard. So I think I´ll be fine with the 4060´s 134dB SPL for both silent and loud shows.

What´s your opinion....4060´s or 4061´s???
I´m 100% stealthing and will use my 12v "SP-SPBS-9" soundprofessionals keychain-bbox (which is temporarily out of stock at SP due to a supply bottleneck).

Will use my RH1 HI-MD recorder(with a top-notch internal preamp) or my iriver h120 rockboxed for taping shows SPL-wise like THE POLICE, Red Hot Chili Peppers or small club gigs from jazz to blues.

[ilduclo]

I use 4061's>spsb3>d100 line in for loud shows, get good levels and never brickwall. this has to be for loud shows only.

[used-to-tape-alot]

in my experience, for most louder shows(all the shows I went to, mostly jam bands), the 4061 went in to the line in of a D7/8 set to bw 7 and 10 and gave ideal levels.  I was usually up closer to the stage where it was louder.  No experience with the more sensitive 4060's but for the stuff I recorded, I think the 4061 is more appropiate. 

[dmonkey]

You should be fine with the 4060s. I run 4060s > MMA6000 > R09 and I've taped some fairly loud shows in small clubs with no prob. I run the R09 line-in with rec level at 8 and adjust the pre for levels. On loud stuff I usually end up somewhere around 2-3 clicks on the MMA pre (each click is supposed to be about 2.5 dB gain). ("clicks" for lack of a better term at the moment)

I love the 4060s.

[Arni99]

I just mailed the swedish DPA retailer in Stockholm as their prices are way below the Austrian or German ones .

asked for
set 1: 2x DPA 4060 + MPS6030 supply

set 2: 2 x DPA 4061 + MMA6000 preamp

will let you know how much it is with shipping to Austria.....

[Chrysler]

Sorry in german this time:

Mir wurden anfangs auch die 4060er empfohlen und ich habe sie dann blind gekauft, weil alle meinten, "die sind toll, das passt schon wegen der "sensitivity"".
Für lautere Konzerte, gerade wenn man weiter vorne steht ist mir das Klangbild einfach viel zu "bassig, breiig", das hat mich dermaßen geärgert, daß ich mir nun ein paar 4061 gekauft und mit diesen bin erstmals einigermaßen zufrieden.
Ich kann also nur nochmals die 4061 empfehlen und würde von den 4060ern abraten.
Und kauf dir unbedingt das MMA6000, damit wird die Aufnahme nochmals umsoviel besser - das ist wahnsinn

DPA plant in Zukunft auch miniatur-cardioid-mikros herzustellen. Sobald die draussen sind werde ich die kaufen. Ich glaube ich bin einfach kein Fan von omidirektionalen Mikrofonen..

[echo1434]

In the DPA 406x manual, it gives these figures for sensitivity:


4060 20 mV/Pa; -34 dB
4061  6 mV/Pa; -44.5 dB


Does this mean that 4060s have 10.5 dB more gain that 4061s?

[Arni99]

In the DPA 406x manual, it gives these figures for sensitivity:


4060 20 mV/Pa; -34 dB
4061  6 mV/Pa; -44.5 dB


Does this mean that 4060s have 10.5 dB more gain that 4061s?

yes, correctly .

[Arni99]

NEVER tape ANY loud and bassy metal shows with dpa4060s , mine distorted yesterday. I will get dpa4061 next week from my local DPA-wholesaler and return the 4060´s. i wanted to find the 4060´s limit and yesterday I found it .

[echo1434]

NEVER tape ANY loud and bassy metal shows with dpa4060s , mine distorted yesterday. I will get dpa4061 next week from my local DPA-wholesaler and return the 4060´s. i wanted to find the 4060´s limit and yesterday I found it .

I really don't get this. If DPA 4060s are rated at 134 dB, this should almost always be enough. I mean, most other mics aren't rated any higher than this. Many are even in the 120s range.

Now if it's a question of the amount of gain and it overdriving the levels on your recorder to the point where you can't turn them down enough, that's something different.

But do the 4060s themselves really get overdriven that easily? I have 4061s, but sometimes I wonder if it's overkill.

[Arni99]

NEVER tape ANY loud and bassy metal shows with dpa4060s , mine distorted yesterday. I will get dpa4061 next week from my local DPA-wholesaler and return the 4060´s. i wanted to find the 4060´s limit and yesterday I found it .

I really don't get this. If DPA 4060s are rated at 134 dB, this should almost always be enough. I mean, most other mics aren't rated any higher than this. Many are even in the 120s range.

Now if it's a question of the amount of gain and it overdriving the levels on your recorder to the point where you can't turn them down enough, that's something different.

But do the 4060s themselves really get overdriven that easily? I have 4061s, but sometimes I wonder if it's overkill.

i used my iriver h120 and it could be the line-in analog stage got overloaded by the hot 4060 input.
the levels were peaking at about -6dB max....so enough headroom internally but either the mics or the analog line-in distorted. i used NO internal gain at all from the iriver...was set to 0dB in rockbox.
it was extremely loud and bassy yesterday...even with earplugs my ears felt somehow "funny" after the show.

shows like THE POLICE are no problem for the 4060´s as longs as you don´t stand in front of the stacks or in the first rows in front of the stacks.