Digital Archiving of Live Shows -- Advice question

[lbgspam]

I am not sure where to post this, so I am trying this "ask the tapers" forum

Now that I am going to be switching from DAT to flash recording of shows with the Eridol R-09 , I want to ask for archive on how tapers archive their music for longevity? 

Do you rar / flak the original sound file recording to good quality DVDRs after converting it to mp3/aac format for use daily and perhaps also burning to CDR 16-bit/44.1?  Do you play with the sound file as needed and just burn the final version to 16bit CDRs?

Advice and strategies appreciated!

[Nick Graham]

I personally burn the complete, unedited 24 Bit wav file to a DVD-R. On another DVD-R I burn FLAC copies of the tracked and edited 24 bit and 16 bit files. On yet another DVD-R I burn the show in 24 bit DVD-A format. Finally I also burn the shows to regular 16/44.1 kHz CDRs for listening in the car, freebies, etc.

[easy jim]

I personally burn the complete, unedited 24 Bit wav file to a DVD-R. On another DVD-R I burn FLAC copies of the tracked and edited 24 bit and 16 bit files. On yet another DVD-R I burn the show in 24 bit DVD-A format. Finally I also burn the shows to regular 16/44.1 kHz CDRs for listening in the car, freebies, etc.

Except for the DVD-A, for which I lack the playback system, I do pretty much the same but also keep a copy of the raw tracks and the FLACs on an external harddrive.

[Nick Graham]

I personally burn the complete, unedited 24 Bit wav file to a DVD-R. On another DVD-R I burn FLAC copies of the tracked and edited 24 bit and 16 bit files. On yet another DVD-R I burn the show in 24 bit DVD-A format. Finally I also burn the shows to regular 16/44.1 kHz CDRs for listening in the car, freebies, etc.

Except for the DVD-A, for which I lack the playback system, I do pretty much the same but also keep a copy of the raw tracks and the FLACs on an external harddrive.

Oops...forgot that. I too back up the unedited wav and all FLAC files to an external HD.

[lbgspam]

Wow, that's a lot of copies for one show!
You must go through a lot of DVDRs and external hard disk space!

[Brian Skalinder]

FWIW, here's what I do:

• burn 24-bit master, as data, to optical media (only if editing in addition to tracking in next step)
  
• burn 24-bit tracked recording, as data, to optical media
  
• burn 16-bit tracked recording, as data, to optical media
  
• seed 24-bit tracked recording as off-site backup
  
• seed 16-bit tracked recording as off-site backup
  

I'm also about to implement a quarterly HD-based off-site backup of critical data (music and otherwise) with my father, so we're both covered for the really critical data in case of house fire, etc.

[lbgspam]

Wow!   With all these backup versions you guys do, have you ever gone back to do anything with the 24 bit versions of the shows?
Or any of the other versions you make prior to the 16bit 44.1 CDs?

[Nick Graham]

What do you mean by "do anything"? I keep the 24 bit FLACs for 2 reasons:

1. That's the bit depth/sample rate I originally recorded them in, and

2. 24 bit audio WILL be the industry standard in a few years, might as well be ready.

Wow!   With all these backup versions you guys do, have you ever gone back to do anything with the 24 bit versions of the shows?
Or any of the other versions you make prior to the 16bit 44.1 CDs?

[F.O.Bean]

1. RAW + EDITED (gain added) 24-Bit WAVS as data onto DVD-R

2. I keep all of my flac24 folders together onto DVD-R

3. lastly i keep flac16 folders together onto DVD-R

and usually burn copies for friends onto cd-r and torrent/archive, so there are copies out there

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[lbgspam]

Good points.  I can see keeping the master and the 16bit version.

Your second point, 24-bit being industry standard, I assume you mean by industry the recording industry and not the home consumer? I doubt the home consumer will get out of CDs for a looong time 

What do you mean by "do anything"? I keep the 24 bit FLACs for 2 reasons:

1. That's the bit depth/sample rate I originally recorded them in, and

2. 24 bit audio WILL be the industry standard in a few years, might as well be ready.

Wow!   With all these backup versions you guys do, have you ever gone back to do anything with the 24 bit versions of the shows?
Or any of the other versions you make prior to the 16bit 44.1 CDs?

[lbgspam]

Wow, great ideas guys! Thanks for the advice!
For me, I will probably archive the tracked 24bit and burn to 16bit CDR for playing.

I assume Tayo Yuidens for DVDR media is what you guys like.

[F.O.Bean]

verbatim dvd-r for me

[svenkid]

lol, I just put the tracked 16 bit show folders in wav format onto dvdr, I usually can do like 3-4 shows per disc.

[lbgspam]

verbatim dvd-r for me

Here is a list of the real manufacturers and their reported quality. Verbatim is listed as one of the better ones.

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

[F.O.Bean]

verbatim dvd-r for me

Here is a list of the real manufacturers and their reported quality. Verbatim is listed as one of the better ones.

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

oh i know, plus i get them pretty cheap at sams club

taiyo yudens and riteks are also pretty good