Topic: R-09 bugs?

[SClassical]

Yesterday I was recording a concert...My setup R-09 line-in (at 24/48 using Transcend 4GB card). Recorded for approx 2 hrs and 20 mins contin. Press stop and checked the recording... There was NOTHING recorded except 1 track which was only 1 second in length and was unable to play even for 1 second!!!.. I checked on the file size and it was approx 2 GB.

Anyway not happy with the R-09 .... getting more problems than my MT.

Anyone know what happened or experienced this before? Should I rename it to .raw and check if I have anything because no audio program can play my 2GB wav file.


Previous problems I experienced with my R-09 included:

 - Suddent high overload peaks after a few mins of recording.
 - Error message saying wrong SD card speed and did not allow futher recording after recording many tracks.


They should update us with a new firmware now!!

[gewwang]

I have gotten the exact same symptoms every time I exceeded 2GB/2hr on one 24/48 file (using a 4GB Transcend as well).

If you're in windows, transfer the file to your PC and see if you can open it in cdwav. If you can, your problem's solved. If you can't, you'll have to fix the header info. Report back either way and if you couldn't open it in cdwav, I can dig thru the archives and point you to the steps to fix it.

[hyperplane]

This thread has several methods people have used to recover WAV files from the R-09.


The "simple fix" that George mentioned above is elaborated more in the following specific post:

I actually had something similar happen last night.  My recorder froze up at 51 minutes into a show   The only way to get the thing to do anything was to open the battery door and take them out to reboot the device.  So now I have an incomplete source as well as a file that won't open in editors.  I'm not impressed....

I think I found a much easier way to do this, not sure if it will work for you guys but it did for me.

1) Open the WAV file that is giving you trouble in CDWave. 
2) It will ask you if you want to adjust the size of the header.  Click YES. 
3) Then it will say it reports that the file header has a size of zero and do you want to continue.  Click OK.
4) Make a track somewhere before the band starts, only save the second track, let it discard the first track.
5) The new file you created will now open properly in any editing program.

Like I said, this worked for me, and maybe not for you but I thought it would be worth trying.

[SClassical]

Thanks I'll try what you suggested.... I thought R-09 can record a single track for approx 4 hrs (4GB) without breaks at 24/48 without problems? So it is not the case? Or sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't?

[gewwang]

Thanks I'll try what you suggested.... I thought R-09 can record a single track for approx 4 hrs (4GB) without breaks at 24/48 without problems? So it is not the case? Or sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't?

I haven't lost a second of a recording with the R-09, however most of my 2hr+ recordings weren't playable on the R-09. As long as I can recover the recording on the PC using cdwav or ultraedit or gordon's (live2496)'s tool, I consider the R-09 a reliable recorder.

[SClassical]

Hi Thanks it opened....Can someone tell me how to resample a 48 kHz to 44.1 kHz and also change a 24 bit to 16 bit using CDWave? Cann't seem to read it anywhere in the program. Thanks

[Brian Skalinder]

Hi Thanks it opened....Can someone tell me how to resample a 48 kHz to 44.1 kHz and also change a 24 bit to 16 bit using CDWave? Cann't seem to read it anywhere in the program. Thanks

In CD-Wave, simply File | Save, then set the Output Mode to WAV, Frequency to 44100, and Resolution to 16-bit.  But really, you're better off using a full featured WAV editor, like freeware Audacity or inexpensive (~$60) Samplitude v8 SE - you'll achieve better results and will also be able to do things like fade in/out, normalize, etc., if you wish.

[tapeworm48]

I haven't lost a second of a recording with the R-09, however most of my 2hr+ recordings weren't playable on the R-09. As long as I can recover the recording on the PC using cdwav or ultraedit or gordon's (live2496)'s tool, I consider the R-09 a reliable recorder.

i've noticed the same issue when i record multiple sets/acts (45-60min each) on 1 card where i go into the +2hr zone. 

on 2 occassions i have recorded a 2hr show, non-stop, without any issues playing back on foobar/cep/cdwave.  and in 1 of these situations, i also recorded 1 min of the opening band to check levels and recorder functionality, but no issues playing back the main set.

[tapeworm48]

In CD-Wave, simply File | Save, then set the Output Mode to WAV, Frequency to 44100, and Resolution to 16-bit.  But really, you're better off using a full featured WAV editor, like freeware Audacity or inexpensive (~$60) Samplitude v8 SE - you'll achieve better results and will also be able to do things like fade in/out, normalize, etc., if you wish.

good i was wanting to ask a similar question for CDwave.  I use either CEP or Audacity to resample/dither. 

BUT has anyone tried the "output to FLAC" (or something) feature that CDwave offers?  is it comparable or inferior to that of frontend or xACT?

[flintstone]

A firmware update for the R-09 is scheduled for Friday.
See this thread http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=75463.0

The new firmware will suppor the SDHC (for "high capacity") card
standard, which means cards larger than 2GB will officially be OK.
The Transcend 4gb card is not SDHC, so any issues you have with
this card may well continue.

Flintstone

[SClassical]

Actually...I converted it to 16/44.1 from 24/48 in CDWave and I realized that the music sounded different. Sounded as if there were low background noises similar to a FM radio broadcast. The original 24/48 (which I also kept) sounded very clean when played in CDwave unlike the new 16/44.1 track. I think you have to listen every carefully to hear the background noise. It's especially obvious when the music is loud. Anyone noticed this?

[Brian Skalinder]

Actually...I converted it to 16/44.1 from 24/48 in CDWare and I realized that the music sounded different. Sounded as if there were low background noises similar to a FM radio broadcast. The original 24/48 (which I also kept) sounded very clean when played in CDware unlike the new 16/44.1 track. I think you have to listen every carefully to hear the background noise. It's especially obvious when the music is loud. Anyone noticed this?

Well, the 16/44 version should sound different than the 24/48.  But not as noticeably as it seems in your case.  I bet the culprit is CD-Wave's (probably less than stellar) implementation of resampling and dithering.  Try resampling / dithering in Audacity and see if it sounds better.

Info on how 24-bit workflow in Audacity.

[ashevillain]

Well, does anyone have any OSX software to recover corrupt files?

I've got 2 24/48 files on the card in my R-09 (one is 2GB, the other 273MB) that won't transfer to my Mac...however, I can playback/listen to the files on the R-09 intermittently. 

I got an error -36, File cannot be read or written when I 1st tried to transfer. However, now when I try to transfer...I click on the "NONAME" drive and it shows the correct amount of space that should be on the card but doesn't show either of the files that are on there. Also I tried to transfer on a windows box and it said there was an "I/O error"...tried to open directly from CD Wave and it gave the "not a valid wave file" message.

R-09 firmware version 1.10, Transcend 4GB card (non-SDHC), OSX version 10.4.7

Please help if you can!

[ashevillain]

Well, does anyone have any OSX software to recover corrupt files?

I ran File Salvage (which took 4.5 days) on the SD card and it said it couldn't find any files to fix.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what to try next? I'd really like to get the recording that's on there!

FWIW, the recording is a Blue Rags show w/ guest appearances by the Avett Brothers and the Asheville Horns (members of Yo Momma's Big Fat Booty Band)...and this is the only audience recording!

[wbrisette]

Well, does anyone have any OSX software to recover corrupt files?

I ran File Salvage (which took 4.5 days) on the SD card and it said it couldn't find any files to fix.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what to try next? I'd really like to get the recording that's on there!

The only tool left that I'm aware of that still does a decent job on things is Disk Warrior http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/

Otherwise, I don't have any real options for you.

Wayne