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Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« on: November 23, 2006, 02:34:21 AM »
Hiya all, I've been lurking here for about a month trying to pick up what knowledge I can, and you guys have been a great help in giving me ideas for future taping experiments.

I've seen that few (if any) people have tried the Belkin TuneTalk microphone adapter for the iPod, and since I got one pretty much on a whim (I had a gift certificate for the Apple store online) I've been fiddling around with it to see what sort of settings work the best... I've got a pair of Giant Squid Omnis w/ battery box and bass roll-off feeding into the TuneTalk - it's only got one switch for setting it to either mic in or line in, and with no way of checking levels on the iPod it's been a matter of guesstimating which way the switch should be... it says that the recording light on the TuneTalk blinks to let you know if it's clipping, but I've covered mine with electrical tape to be even less of a giveaway. So far I've only done a handful of recordings to see how it works in different situations, but nothing that I think is decent enough to share (yet!). I do have some observations with this setup, though:

1st recording: Driving around with some friends, using the built-in microphone set to mic in... good levels for normal conversational volume, battery lasted about 90 minutes on high-quality recording for about a half-charge on the iPod.

2nd recording: "Zappa Plays Zappa" concert, Warner Theater, Washington DC
This show I recorded from mid-balcony with just the built-in microphone on the TuneTalk set to mic in... odd static (due to clipping, i suppose), kinda hard to hear at parts, but better than I expected for the built-in microphones for my location in the theater. Battery died after about 2 1/2 hours with a close to (if not) full charge.

3rd recording: Piano bar (Howl at the Moon), Baltimore, MD
There's two pianos set up on stage next to each other, with speakers set to the left, center, and right above the stage, and me sitting front and center. Used the Giant Squid omnis clipped to the collar of my jacket draped on the chair behind me, with the TuneTalk set to mic in... static due to clipping, battery died again after about 2 1/2 hours.

4th recording: Piano bar (same location)
Sat off to the left of the stage, same setup except the mics were clipped to the bottom of my jacket and on a higher bar-stool type chair... more audience noise than #3 due to not being so close to the speakers. First recording set to line in, and that seems to have taken care of the clipping... did a normalize on the audio and turned out fine for the most part. Stopped recording before battery died, recorded about 90 minutes on full charge.

5th recording: Steve Wozniak presentation / book signing, Washington, DC
Small bookstore, sitting in center about 5 or 6 rows back... the bookstore had a microphone set up at the podium with the audio piped through the store's in-ceiling speakers, and my mics were clipped to the sides of my jacket on my chair and faced forwards and up. Recorded as line in and lasted just under 2 hours on full charge, stopping before battery died. Had forgotten to turn the battery box on, so all I got was about 2 hours of silence.  :'(  Really sad too since I would have liked to listen to his presentation again as he's a very entertaining speaker.

After all that I got to thinking about the battery box and realized I didn't know too much about it other than the fact that it's got a battery in there and an on/off switch. What kind of usage can I expect to get out of this thing before the battery needs replacing? Would it be ok to leave the battery box on all the time (does it continue to supply power to the mics even when they're not plugged into a line in jack), or would it just drain the battery? Any suggestions for remembering to turn the battery box off/on as needed? I keep forgetting to turn it off and remember it an hour or so later.

The actual recordings last ~1 gig = 90 minutes, or around 1.2-1.5 gigs for 2 1/2 hours, so being able to record direct to the iPod's hard drive is very nice... the only problem is with the hard drive constantly writing it's using up all of the iPod's battery. However, I do have an idea for the iPod's battery lasting only about 2 1/2 hours or so at a full charge (the Belkin's manual says that you'd get just under 3 hours under perfect circumstances)...the Minty Boost USB battery box would be perfect, giving about another 3 hours of use... (you wouldn't be able to use something like the TuneJuice from Griffin since the TuneTalk is already connected via the dock connector... BUT the TuneTalk DOES have a mini USB port and comes with a USB -> mini USB cable so you can still have it connect to your computer and get power while connected, so all that would be needed would be a Minty Boost power charger and connect that to the TuneTalk/iPod via the USB/mini USB cable!)

Hopefully I'll be able to get some more recordings with this experimented out and can post some examples for review! Though I'm going to see The Who this weekend, I'd be too nervous about sneaking my gear in to do a stealth recording when they're already releasing CDs/DVDs of all of their tour performances and I've already asked for one for Christmas.  ;)

Let me know if you've got any questions and I'll see what I can do to answer them!

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2006, 12:43:07 PM »
wow thanks for sharing your experiment with us!  :D

could u post some samples of each recording? :)
*Audio*
Mics:
SP-CMC-19
Panasonic WM61a

Recorders:
MZ-RH910 (Hi-MD)
Sony TC-WE435 (CASS)

*Video*
Canon ZR-500 [Mini DV]
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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 12:50:58 PM »
WOW. Cool

I 'm buying one TuneTalk.
This help me a lot.

Was thinking in buying some mics.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2006, 03:54:49 PM »
What do u think about this mics:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-SONY-Electret-Condenser-Stereo-Microphone-ECM-DS70P_W0QQitemZ260062227162QQihZ016QQcategoryZ67852QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Thanks

what are you looking to record?

if you want to record loud rock shows.... this will probably distort and not sound great
*Audio*
Mics:
SP-CMC-19
Panasonic WM61a

Recorders:
MZ-RH910 (Hi-MD)
Sony TC-WE435 (CASS)

*Video*
Canon ZR-500 [Mini DV]
54" Tripod

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 03:19:58 PM »
Yeah.
I'm looking for some BINAURAL at the moment.

Thanks

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 05:45:44 PM »
Yeah.
I'm looking for some BINAURAL at the moment.

Thanks


you can find some at Core Sound, or The Sound Professionals. i also hear good things about Church Audio mics

or you can make some yourself for about $5
all you need are some Panasonic WM-61A capsules and some headphone wires
*Audio*
Mics:
SP-CMC-19
Panasonic WM61a

Recorders:
MZ-RH910 (Hi-MD)
Sony TC-WE435 (CASS)

*Video*
Canon ZR-500 [Mini DV]
54" Tripod

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2006, 09:33:41 PM »
Hey guys.
What u think about this:

- iPod 60Gb
- Belkin TuneTalk Stereo
- USB Portable AA Battery Box
- SP-BMC-2 Sound Professionals Mini Binaural microphones

Can I make some good records?

Somebody have try this?

Thanks

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2006, 05:36:33 PM »
instead of ipod and the belkin thing

just get an iRiver h120 and a 9v battery box
SP-BMC-2 will make some decent recordings

SP-BMC-2>9vBattbox>H120 looks like a good starter rig :)
*Audio*
Mics:
SP-CMC-19
Panasonic WM61a

Recorders:
MZ-RH910 (Hi-MD)
Sony TC-WE435 (CASS)

*Video*
Canon ZR-500 [Mini DV]
54" Tripod

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2006, 05:47:28 PM »
instead of ipod and the belkin thing

just get an iRiver h120 and a 9v battery box
SP-BMC-2 will make some decent recordings

SP-BMC-2>9vBattbox>H120 looks like a good starter rig :)

Thanks man, but I already have ipod and TuneTalk :'(

Peace

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2006, 06:16:17 PM »
instead of ipod and the belkin thing

just get an iRiver h120 and a 9v battery box
SP-BMC-2 will make some decent recordings

SP-BMC-2>9vBattbox>H120 looks like a good starter rig :)

Thanks man, but I already have ipod and TuneTalk :'(

Peace

well if thats what u got for now then that will work
then u can upgrade your rig later when u feel this is the right hobby for you :)

remember - a 'lower quality' rig is better than no rig at all :D
« Last Edit: December 19, 2006, 06:20:12 PM by beefstew »
*Audio*
Mics:
SP-CMC-19
Panasonic WM61a

Recorders:
MZ-RH910 (Hi-MD)
Sony TC-WE435 (CASS)

*Video*
Canon ZR-500 [Mini DV]
54" Tripod

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2007, 11:11:08 AM »
Hi guys
Here is one sample that I did with Tunetalk.
Just for test with Sound Professional mic and battery.

http://www.blackcrowes.com.br/sample_01.wav

SP-BMC-2 > SP-SPSB-8 Battery >Tunetalk > Ipod 60Gb > USB > MACBOOK

Is not so clean.

Have some ups and downs.

I'll try use Audio Cleaning Lab to see what happen

Any help with ACL or how can I make this record better? How can I clean this?

Thanks
« Last Edit: January 26, 2007, 11:14:30 AM by crowesBR »

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2007, 04:31:17 PM »
wow that sounds kinda shitty :(
*Audio*
Mics:
SP-CMC-19
Panasonic WM61a

Recorders:
MZ-RH910 (Hi-MD)
Sony TC-WE435 (CASS)

*Video*
Canon ZR-500 [Mini DV]
54" Tripod

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2007, 04:32:40 PM »
wow that sounds kinda shitty :(

Yup. I know :(

I'll make some other tests.

Peace

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Re: Experimentations with the Belkin TuneTalk, and Battery Box Blues
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2007, 05:40:13 PM »
Just curious if you've had any luck with this setup.  I will soon have the same setup as soon as Darren at Giant Squid gets around to sending me my mic!
My as of yet untested rig: GSAL powered omni w/bat box>Edirol R-09

 

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