Topic: lowering crowd noise in SF8

[georgeh]

i've been using the eq to lower crowd in bluegrass, sit down shows. but i just tried the smooth function. thinking that was keeping it closest to the natural sound wave, but it sounds flat and muffled. which is the best process for lowering crowd noise in SF 8?
Also i did this before resamling?
thanks

[todd e]

so my question, did you tape or did you just patch @ p hood?

[georgeh]

whoops, stoner move on my part. as soon as i sent this message i say tito's post
i am reading the links now

[georgeh]

i know it's a mistake to leave the taping too, davis and the  richmond boys, but i did just that. took the ear night off taping

[Brian Skalinder]

Are you trying to lower crowd noise between or during songs (or both)?

[georgeh]

only between, i checked out the links to Todd's post, am still checking them out. Tis happens farely often to me, like Todd  mentioned i leave the levels low for sit down shows knowing the crowd will spike like crazy.
I thought there might be a tool in SF i wasn't familuar with, that woudl lower the levels differently then just the eq
thanks

[georgeh]

also, should i be doing the editing post resamlpe or prior to resampling?

[todd e]

also, should i be doing the editing post resamlpe or prior to resampling?

this is an easy one, prior to resampling.  you'll have more data to use, before you've resampled.

[georgeh]

thought so, but figured i'd ask. btw thinking of getting wave lab in place of my SF

[georgeh]

the envelopre option seems best to me thanks

[BayTaynt3d]

Don't use EQ or "smoothing". You'd be better off using a compressor with a threshold that starts near the top of the music levels (so as not to affect the music dynamics) and a ratio that is stiff (like 4:1 or more) to knock the audience down when they come in. I think SF comes with Wave Hammer, a compressor, but there are other out there that may be better, but that one isn't bad considering you already have it built it. Also, another approach is to use volume automation/envelopes to ride the levels inbetween songs.

[BayTaynt3d]

also, should i be doing the editing post resamlpe or prior to resampling?

this is an easy one, prior to resampling.  you'll have more data to use, before you've resampled.

Yeah, resampling should always be your second-to-last step (for 24-bit sources, or last step if you working with 16-bit sources), with dithering down to to 16-bit as your last step (if you are working with 24-bit to begin with, otherwise this step is unneeded if already in 16-bit). Everything else should always be done BEFORE these last steps.

[georgeh]

i don't seem to ahve wave hammer on my copy, been trying to get it. I used the envelope and was happy with how it sounded
thanks

[Gordon]

in wavelab i've had good luck simply lowering the gain between tracks.  you can do this in soundforge as well.  i think it's named volume instead of gain in sf.