Oade ACM V3

[monochromic]

Comp and poll should be up later this week.

excellent work, am most looking forward to the comp.


brett.

[Gutbucket]

... We taped one of the littler known acts so that hopefully their won't be much bias towards the artist for the comp...

Sounds like a great time.
Looking forward to it, even if the band sucks. 

[SClassical]

We're going to be running some stock vs. mod V3 comps this weekend.  I know there will be some Gefells and MBHO's for sure down there.  I'll try and get something else to run in front other then the AKG's.

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Good if someone can post a poll sometime (blind test).

Any ideas on the pirce to do a MOD from Doug? I think comparing V3 vs MOD V3 blindly will gives us an idea if it's worth doing.

Pricing?  I have no idea what Doug might charge for the V3 upgrade.  Sorry.

I guess your one was one free. Do you know when Doug is going to start doing it for people? Since he did one already any reason why he is waiting around? Are you acting like a guinea pig (no offence    ) for him before he takes in orders from people? Thanks for testing it 

[OFOTD]

I guess your one was one free. Do you know when Doug is going to start doing it for people? Since he did one already any reason why he is waiting around? Are you acting like a guinea pig (no offence    ) for him before he takes in orders from people? Thanks for testing it 

To be fair and honest I bought a good bit of gear from Doug and it all rolled into one bill so to speak.  So in that sense I'd be lying if I told you what I think I paid for it.  And for all intensive purposes I am the guinea pig so maybe I got overcharged or undercharged, dunno.

I have no idea when he will start modding them but have a call and email into him as we speak to talk about it.   Hang tight for a few days and we'll get some comp samples up and you can decide if you even like it or not.

I will say though that my V3 runs hotter now after the mod.  Maybe 8db or so hotter.  Strange but true.

[Shawn]

I will say though that my V3 runs hotter now after the mod.  Maybe 8db or so hotter.  Strange but true.

that's a pretty significant increase. Not that there is anything wring with that. it's just surprising.

[OFOTD]

I will say though that my V3 runs hotter now after the mod.  Maybe 8db or so hotter.  Strange but true.

that's a pretty significant increase. Not that there is anything wring with that. it's just surprising.

I thought so as well.  But I prefer to run the V3 hot anyways before the mod.  I just have to shake old habits level wise and remember that I have more gain now.

[JasonSobel]

I will say though that my V3 runs hotter now after the mod.  Maybe 8db or so hotter.  Strange but true.

that's a pretty significant increase. Not that there is anything wring with that. it's just surprising.

I thought so as well.  But I prefer to run the V3 hot anyways before the mod.  I just have to shake old habits level wise and remember that I have more gain now.

before you did the comp, did you do an accurate test to see how much more gain you have?  I think that'd be pretty important to really dial in the levels between the modded vs. unmodded V3's to get a valid comparison.  or did you just run it about 8dB lower?

[OFOTD]

I will say though that my V3 runs hotter now after the mod.  Maybe 8db or so hotter.  Strange but true.

that's a pretty significant increase. Not that there is anything wring with that. it's just surprising.

I thought so as well.  But I prefer to run the V3 hot anyways before the mod.  I just have to shake old habits level wise and remember that I have more gain now.

before you did the comp, did you do an accurate test to see how much more gain you have?  I think that'd be pretty important to really dial in the levels between the modded vs. unmodded V3's to get a valid comparison.  or did you just run it about 8dB lower?

We ran the same config, the same make of cable of the same length and ran the same bodies and caps inches apart from one another.  We ran the two V3's at the same levels for the first 2-3 songs when I noticed how big the difference was.  I then dropped mine down by 5db.  I had planned on adjusting the levels in post this week on both sources to match up as much as possible

There has been so much bullshit debate over the last few weeks about comps that I truly believe that no matter how you do it someone is going to have a problem with it so Gumbino and I debated back and forth several methods until we decided on the method we did. 

Its as real world as it gets. 

[JasonSobel]

We ran the same config, the same make of cable of the same length and ran the same bodies and caps inches apart from one another.  We ran the two V3's at the same levels for the first 2-3 songs when I noticed how big the difference was.  I then dropped mine down by 5db.  I had planned on adjusting the levels in post this week on both sources to match up as much as possible

There has been so much bullshit debate over the last few weeks about comps that I truly believe that no matter how you do it someone is going to have a problem with it so Gumbino and I debated back and forth several methods until we decided on the method we did. 

Its as real world as it gets. 

I understand that it's difficult to get everything in a comp just right.  and I definitely agree that some folks go overboard in finding flaws in comps, and that certainly isn't what I'm trying to do.  it just that setting levels on a V3 is so easy and precise.  it seems to me that it'd be easy to set up a comp at home, set both V3's (modded and unmodded) on the same gain settings, and then check out the files on a computer to see precisely how far off they are from each other.  with this knowledge, it would be very easy to adjust the modded V3 by exactly that amount.

regardless, I'm still looking forward to hearing your comp.

[OFOTD]

I understand that it's difficult to get everything in a comp just right.  and I definitely agree that some folks go overboard in finding flaws in comps, and that certainly isn't what I'm trying to do.  it just that setting levels on a V3 is so easy and precise.  it seems to me that it'd be easy to set up a comp at home, set both V3's (modded and unmodded) on the same gain settings, and then check out the files on a computer to see precisely how far off they are from each other.  with this knowledge, it would be very easy to adjust the modded V3 by exactly that amount.

regardless, I'm still looking forward to hearing your comp.

Totally agree with you and I know you're not a critic of the comp.   First and foremost I believe I am the only V3 owner within 3 hours so that kinda took that option out of the mix.  Secondly we just felt like a real world comp would be the most beneficial to most folks.  Until I can get the tracks cut later in the week we'll both be in the dark as to the results. 

[Jimna]

why would the mod cause the increased gain?  isnt the mod just with the a/d?  why would that change if he didnt mod the preamp too?  sorry if im way off here, just curious.

thanks
jim

[F.O.Bean]

why would the mod cause the increased gain?  isnt the mod just with the a/d?  why would that change if he didnt mod the preamp too?  sorry if im way off here, just curious.

thanks
jim

adc processes the gain stage, it could be adding a minimal amount

[Shawn]

why would the mod cause the increased gain?  isnt the mod just with the a/d?  why would that change if he didnt mod the preamp too?  sorry if im way off here, just curious.

thanks
jim

adc processes the gain stage, it could be adding a minimal amount

8db isn't a minimal amount.

[JasonSobel]

maybe the new A/D chip is just more sensitive.  so it reaches 0dBfs at a lower analog level (dBu) than the original A/D chip.

(I don't really know how different A/D chips actually work.  so maybe I'm way off base.  but it seems like a reasonable assumption to me)

[Shawn]

maybe the new A/D chip is just more sensitive.  so it reaches 0dBfs at a lower analog level (dBu) than the original A/D chip.

(I don't really know how different A/D chips actually work.  so maybe I'm way off base.  but it seems like a reasonable assumption to me)

sounds feasible to me.