Topic: Taping Problem

[rocknroll54]

Hey guys. Alright so I'm running:
C4's-->XLR's-->Art Phantom II-->MIT 176's-->JB3

I taped Keller Williams Thursday evening, and everything seemed to be going fine. When I got home and listened to the tape, the WAV file that came off of the JB3 was only 411MB...
My bud Chris's (DMBprez) WAV file came out to be around 1.6GB...

I set the format on the JB3 to be the highest quality WAV format possible, although the tape only came out to be sub-par sounding and small. Anyone know what I did wrong?

[Roving Sign]

How long was the set...?

Looks like you need something to add more gain...your probably not getting anywhere near line level (assuming you are using the JB3 "Line Input" setting.)

[cleantone]

Looks like you need something to add more gain...your probably not getting anywhere near line level (assuming you are using the JB3 "Line Input" setting.)

uncompressed 16bit 44.1k WAV file size would be determined by length only wouldn't it? A FLAC file typically compresses smaller when the volume is low. So if I understand your thinking properly, I'm not sure that is the problem.

Was your buddies recording 24bit?

[Roving Sign]

Looks like you need something to add more gain...your probably not getting anywhere near line level (assuming you are using the JB3 "Line Input" setting.)

uncompressed 16bit 44.1k WAV file size would be determined by length only wouldn't it? A FLAC file typically compresses smaller when the volume is low. So if I understand your thinking properly, I'm not sure that is the problem.

Was your buddies recording 24bit?

Im not really looking at the file size issue - without knowing how long the set was...cant make any judgements there...although it sounds like his buddy recorded at a higher resolution.

..."sub par and small" sounds like not enough gain - (no preamp in the chain...)

[Gordon]

or he accidentally recorded in mp3.

[db]

you had the phantom @ 48v?

411 mb is a little over 40mins @ 16/44 wav.

[F.O.Bean]

or he accidentally recorded in mp3.

[rocknroll54]

I for sure had the Phantom at 48v. I know I didn't record in mp3 for sure as well. The set was about 2 and a half hours. I'm still not sure what is wrong here, this is getting frusturating.

[Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B)]

Check the file format. I'm putting my money on MP3. I've done it...once. Now I'm super anal to check that it's recording a 16/44.1 WAV file.

Good news is that a 1.6GB WAV file would probably make at least at 256k MP3 (maybe 320k), which is much better than a 128k MP3 (I think that is the JB3 default).

[Gordon]

I for sure had the Phantom at 48v. I know I didn't record in mp3 for sure as well. The set was about 2 and a half hours. I'm still not sure what is wrong here, this is getting frusturating.

2 and a half hours and only 411 mb = mp3

[BradM]

If you were using the line-in (as opposed to the optical-in) on the JB3, it's possible you set the format to be WAV, but used something other than 44.1kHz (e.g., 22.05kHz, 11.025kHz) as the sample rate, which would still give you a WAV file, but one that's a lot smaller (like half or a quarter of what it should be).

I did this once, when I had forgotten that, when using optical-in, there's just "WAV" format (no sample rate), but when using line-in, you have to select WAV and the sample rate. One night I recorded optical-in, followed by a line-in recording the next day, and ended up using 11.025kHz sample rate on it, as it was the format that's in the place on the menu where "WAV" is for optical-in recordings.

Aloha,
Brad

[jkbyram]

I for sure had the Phantom at 48v. I know I didn't record in mp3 for sure as well. The set was about 2 and a half hours. I'm still not sure what is wrong here, this is getting frusturating.

2 and a half hours and only 411 mb = mp3

thats bound to be what it is. we have all done this at one time or the other, by mistake. that scroll wheel can be touchy at times.

[Roving Sign]

I for sure had the Phantom at 48v. I know I didn't record in mp3 for sure as well. The set was about 2 and a half hours. I'm still not sure what is wrong here, this is getting frusturating.

2 and a half hours and only 411 mb = mp3

thats bound to be what it is. we have all done this at one time or the other, by mistake. that scroll wheel can be touchy at times.

But wouldn't it be obvious when he transfered the file?...it would have an .mp3 extension, correct?...(guess it depends on how you have your Windows settings or what software you use to transfer...)

I was also thinking he might have selected one of lower sample rates like 22khz...that would be easy to do and the file would still have the .wav extension...

We need a right click here...!

[Gordon]

I for sure had the Phantom at 48v. I know I didn't record in mp3 for sure as well. The set was about 2 and a half hours. I'm still not sure what is wrong here, this is getting frusturating.

2 and a half hours and only 411 mb = mp3

thats bound to be what it is. we have all done this at one time or the other, by mistake. that scroll wheel can be touchy at times.

I can honestly say I have never recorded in mp3.

If you were using the line-in (as opposed to the optical-in) on the JB3, it's possible you set the format to be WAV, but used something other than 44.1kHz (e.g., 22.05kHz, 11.025kHz) as the sample rate, which would still give you a WAV file, but one that's a lot smaller (like half or a quarter of what it should be).

I did this once, when I had forgotten that, when using optical-in, there's just "WAV" format (no sample rate), but when using line-in, you have to select WAV and the sample rate. One night I recorded optical-in, followed by a line-in recording the next day, and ended up using 11.025kHz sample rate on it, as it was the format that's in the place on the menu where "WAV" is for optical-in recordings.

I think we have a winner   I have only used line in on mine doing sbds and have almost done that.

[rocknroll54]

I for sure had the Phantom at 48v. I know I didn't record in mp3 for sure as well. The set was about 2 and a half hours. I'm still not sure what is wrong here, this is getting frusturating.

2 and a half hours and only 411 mb = mp3

thats bound to be what it is. we have all done this at one time or the other, by mistake. that scroll wheel can be touchy at times.

But wouldn't it be obvious when he transfered the file?...it would have an .mp3 extension, correct?...(guess it depends on how you have your Windows settings or what software you use to transfer...)

I was also thinking he might have selected one of lower sample rates like 22khz...that would be easy to do and the file would still have the .wav extension...

We need a right click here...!

Yeah, the extension does not say .mp3, so I probably just put it on the wrong WAV setting at this point. Thanks for the input guys.