Topic: First attempt at a post-matrix... feedback would be nice, ta.

[powermonkey]

I recently taped Ryan Adams at Koko in London, and ended up with a nice tape filled with a level of chatter that made me very angry indeed. Anyhoo, thanks to the fine efforts of some wonderful folk over at Ryanadamsarchive.com, most notably Spotondrums, John C and Simmo, the soundboard of the show has now appeared.

Just for a bit of practise more than anything, I've had a go at matrixing the two sources:

SBD: Soundboard via XLR>DAT SONY TCD-D100> 7-PIN Digital Cable>M-Audio Audiophile 2496 >Goldwave>wav>Flac 8

Aud: Recording: Church Audio STC11's> CA St9000 Preamp > Edirol R09 @16/44.1
Transfer: R09 > USB > HP PC > Adobe Audition (normalise, fade in/out) > CDwave > flac (verified)

Anyhoo, here's a sample:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1xdpef - Ryan Adams & The Cardinals, Koko, London (2007-06-07) Matrix - track 2: Games (flac)

I've made a cock-up or two (couldn't work out why I'd ended up with a 32bit wav file, for example) and I didn't really pay a great deal of attention to the relevant amounts of each source I used, but I'd be interested in any views. I really liked the sound of the AUD, crowd apart, so i've basically tried to use the soundboard to drown out the crowd while keeping the big, reverby vocal harmonies. Sounds a little bassy, but I don't know whether or not I should bother starting to mess with the EQ - I hear that it's far easier to screw EQ up than to get it right.

Anyhoo, any feedback you good folks might give me would be cool. Any synch issues, phase issues, that sort of thing.

Thanks! (and +T's to all)

 

[Brian Skalinder]

I've made a cock-up or two (couldn't work out why I'd ended up with a 32bit wav file, for example)

I believe Adobe Audition by default uses 32bfp internal precision for its editing operations (including mixing).  So, the output of any editing / mixing is a 32bfp file.  You need to dither back down to 24- or 16-bit.

[powermonkey]

Hehe... guessed that the file needed downsampling after a few minutes scratching my head and a few more minutes of yelling abuse at my PC.

 

[powermonkey]

Righty then.

I burned this to CD, listened on my stereo. Too bassy. Sooo, gone back a couple of steps, used Audacity to put it through a high-pass filter to cut below 50Hz, then normalised. Need to split and burn to yet another CD to check it again...

Anyone got suggestions for a decent cheap(ish) set of monitors I can plug into my PC? It's a right pain having to burn a disc then rush off and listen and then rush back again...

*edit* Checked the Audacity highpassfiltered version, couldn't tell the difference. Hmph. Another one bites the dust.

Sooo, went back yet again, this time used Soundforge, high-pass filter round about 150hz  - and it sounds great. Well pleased with it, although I don't know if it's enough of an improvement to the sources that are already circling... it's definately more audience than soundboard, but with the crowd much reduced and slightly more clarity of music.

Anyhoo, if it wasn't for the info I've been looking up on this site I'd have gone completely nuts by now, so cheers to all!