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Offline calikila

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metal/ heavy music recording
« on: July 07, 2007, 03:57:18 PM »
ive asked arround and still cant figure out what i should be recording.
ive got the opportunity to record multiple bands at 3 different venues aroudn here so im really intersted in buying what i need to record.
Most of what im recording will be heavy rock, metal, and punk bands. I have no idea what the best mics,pre,recorders, etc . would be for this type of music.
if possible i could use my iriver hp120 which i own.

oh and my budget is about 700$

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 04:03:54 PM »
Tons of options.

are you looking to stealth or open tape?
want to keep the rig small or does size matter  ::)


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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 04:05:24 PM »
preferably stealth, the venues i will be going to dont have super heavy security i.e no metal detectors or wands, but will pad down and quickly look in bags
rig size nothing too big like bigger than a gameboy? i can sneak them in pretty easily as with mics

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 04:52:17 PM »
Check out the Chris Church pre-amps and mics in the retail section.

I have never ran em.... but I hear good things.  and really small.  Compatible with H120


can also spend some money on DPA mics..... which are super tiny (eraser size).
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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 05:04:16 PM »
found this on the church audio ebay account?

sorry to sound completely dumb
but would this be a good setup?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/STEREO-MICROPHONES-PREAMP-4-MINIDISC-DAT-MD-MP3_W0QQitemZ260054111491QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 07:39:57 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.ca/STEREO-PREAMP-MICS-4-MINDISC-DAT-EDIROL-R09-MICRO-BR_W0QQitemZ260098327358QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItem

These would be better for metal shows.  Cardioid mics usually perform just a little better for loud stuff.  Binaural mics can work fine with a bass roll off filter, but they really shine more in quieter enviornments.  Either way, Chris Church makes quality stuff.  Pair that set with a Edirol R-09 or iRiver recorder and you've got one heck of a combination.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 07:41:58 PM by stantheman1976 »

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 09:12:17 PM »
These would be better for metal shows.  Cardioid mics usually perform just a little better for loud stuff.  Binaural mics can work fine with a bass roll off filter, but they really shine more in quieter enviornments.
Ehh...I don't know about ear-shatteringly-loud, because I've never taped in that situation, but I think this is a pretty good demo of omnis in a high-SPL environment (right next to the PA, and less than ten feet from the drumset).
http://media.putfile.com/Sarah-Bettens---Put-It-Out-For-Good

I don't think you can get noticeably higher quality with stealth mics, not without spending $1000+. Of course, omnis can quickly become a disaster if you're in the middle of a noisy crowd.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 09:25:00 PM by nasarius »
[sample] Giant Squid omnis > custom battery box (.068uF bass rolloff) > JB3

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007, 10:52:12 PM »
shouldn't need a pre amp for those kinds of shows (heavy spl's) so......go with a battery box powered set of omnis or cards line into just about anything, my experience is with MD and DAT.

let me know what you record and how it comes out, lotsa metal to swap.

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2007, 11:02:09 PM »
Omnis can do well in loud enviornments too.  From my experience they sound best to me in acoustic situations.  I'm not anti-omni or anything.  I just think cards sound better in loud situations.  You're definitely trying to make me eat my words with the sample though.  ;D

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2007, 11:29:36 PM »
i'd go with DPA406x or something heavyduty regarding SPL should do. SPL should be a major factor if you're planning to tape metal. omni's would do just fine i think. no one is able to talk at a metal show and i don't imagine many metal acts in large arenas/venues so it wouldn't be so boomy.
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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2007, 02:46:51 AM »
i'd go with DPA406x or something heavyduty regarding SPL should do. SPL should be a major factor if you're planning to tape metal. omni's would do just fine i think. no one is able to talk at a metal show and i don't imagine many metal acts in large arenas/venues so it wouldn't be so boomy.

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 05:35:30 AM »
i'd go with DPA406x or something heavyduty regarding SPL should do. SPL should be a major factor if you're planning to tape metal. omni's would do just fine i think. no one is able to talk at a metal show and i don't imagine many metal acts in large arenas/venues so it wouldn't be so boomy.

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Absolutely agreed.  The dpa microphones are great for metal (or any other kind of music, for that matter).  The dpa mics > battery box > recorder should be a good setup and you can probably get everything used in your budget range.

The issue with SPLs and metal shows is really not as significant as you think.  Almost all of the metal shows that I have been to have very similar SPL levels to the other, non-metal rock concerts that I attend.  Slayer is an exception to this, because that was loud as hell, but the loudest group I have ever seen is the Black Crowes, followed by Sonic Youth.  It is also a lot easier to record metal shows because the sound is usually super-compressed and you do not have the audible dynamic shifts of non-rock concerts.  More like a set the levels and forget it thing than constantly fiddling with them because there is a 17 minute bass jam or something.

Good luck with everything!
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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 01:26:01 PM »
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the dpa 4061's with 1/8" to spsb3 to either line in DAT or MD works great for me for metal. I think the spl's are significantly higher for some metal bands, I went to a recent Isis show and my industrial strength earprotectors were ALMOST not enough.

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Re: metal/ heavy music recording
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2007, 05:42:36 PM »
 i have no clue what any of that is   !newb here!
where can i find all this?

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2007, 11:13:16 PM »
I got my dpa 4061's off of ebay for 400, great deal! Modded to 1/8" single input (from lemo) by a sound shop that I knew and trusted. Got the Sound Professionals Battery box, SPSB3 from their web page, I bought the MD when I was in Hong Kong (SharpMDMT770) and later bought a D100 Sony Dat off of e bay and had it totally refurbed by Prodigtal.

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