Topic: Help for recording "on the cheap" with an Edirol R-09

[MSTaper]

I've been wanting to record some local rock bands, but do not want to invest a load of money. I've read a few threads about the R-09 and wondered if it's possible to get some decent recordings with it alone (as opposed to external mics) and what else would I need. A stand maybe, if it's possible to mount or would the vibrations cause problems. If I went the external mic route, what else would I need, pre-amp? mic stands, obviously, cables. What am I missing. These would be in small bar/club type settings, fairly loud rock music. And no, I've never done this before unless sneaking an old portable cassette into a Heart concert in the 70s counts!  Thanks ahead of time.

[powermonkey]

I've got an R09, and a pair of Church-Audio mics. I've not taped any loud shows yet, but I'm assured that the combination I have will handle it. For quieter shows a preamp is definately in order, although I've had pleasing results for quiet shows with just the mics and the R09.

http://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO

Lots of people will undoubtedly recommend Mr Church's wares, and quite right too. Excellent quality, excellent value. (Mine are the STC-11 'croakie' mics, btw).



Hope that helps!

[Dede2002]

I've been wanting to record some local rock bands, but do not want to invest a load of money. I've read a few threads about the R-09 and wondered if it's possible to get some decent recordings with it alone (as opposed to external mics) and what else would I need. A stand maybe, if it's possible to mount or would the vibrations cause problems. If I went the external mic route, what else would I need, pre-amp? mic stands, obviously, cables. What am I missing. These would be in small bar/club type settings, fairly loud rock music. And no, I've never done this before unless sneaking an old portable cassette into a Heart concert in the 70s counts!  Thanks ahead of time.

"Fairly loud rock music" could be interpretated in very diferent ways depending on your standard for "loud". Anyway, yes, you can get decent recordings with the R-09 alone. Of course I don't mean torturing loud concerts. My first recordings were taped with the R-09 internal mics. Depending, of course, of your location the results could be surprisingly pleasant. Regarding mics, the Church stuff seems to be an excelent choice ( I'm a Microphone Madness HLSC-1 user though).For loud music, you don't need a pre amp. With a regular battery box, plug in the Line input and you should be fine.Hope that helps.

[Arni99]

Be aware that the MM-HLSC-1 cards a much hotter than the church cards or my DPA 4061( I had(have) all these mics lately).
i always use MIC-IN+12V battery box as my mics are both LOW-SENSITIVITY and I get awesome results on MIC-IN at record level 17-23 for loud amplified shows. My mics are about 10-15dB less sensitive than the MM-HLSC-1 mic.
Without an external preamp using LINE-IN with low-sens mics you might need too much gain of the internal R09-preamp for reaching good recording levels(avoid gain from 25-30...too much noise is generated).
When using internal mics ALWAYS USE:
LOW-CUT: OFF
AGC:OFF
MIC-SENS: LOW


Safing some money and going for the HLSC-1 + a small battery box + line-in on R-09 will be the better choice of course in the long run. once you´ve heard recordings done with good external mics spending loads of money is on your side HAHA!
good luck
Arni

P.S.: the internal mics MIGHT distort at really loud small club rock shows. i taped a blues-show and a fusion-rock show with the internal mics. both sound ok.

[Dede2002]

Russ 3523,

I am not the owner of the truth, so to speak. But I think one has to take the time to really get to know his/her gear. Anxiety is not a good friend if you're dealing with subjective matters like "that mic sounds good" or "that mic sounds better". I've done all the good and the bad things with the rig I currently own. I know a thing or two about the R-09, with or without external mics. Why? I've been using the very same gear for quite some time, so I know what I'm talking about.
Some stuff is pretty much a matter of personal taste, but others are not. Example: Line In plus bb  gives is you a cleaner sound when you tape loud music. Taping using 24 bit  gives you more resolution, more headroom, less concerns about clipping so you can always normalize/amplify on post. With 16 bits you have to run hot to avoid Noise Floor and that increases the risk of clipping. Those are  facts. Not my words, but the words from people that really know about that.
As a matter of fact, if I were you  I'd go search in other threads and learn from people that really understands this matter. I'm just a newbie with lots of curiosity and time to read and learn. Good luck!

[MSTaper]

Thanks for the help, guys. So I could play around with the R-09. What I've read about the Church-audio stuff sounds good and the prices are great. Would it help to go ahead and get one of the Church pre-amps as well? Thanks, rWc

[Dede2002]

Thanks for the help, guys. So I could play around with the R-09. What I've read about the Church-audio stuff sounds good and the prices are great. Would it help to go ahead and get one of the Church pre-amps as well? Thanks, rWc

I've never used Chris's stuff. So it's my humble opinion that you better PM Chris and ask him for proper advice. Go to "Retail".You're going to find not only Chris himself but inputs from actual Church mics users. Like I said before, it's usefull to listen to people who really knows their gear, not from hearsay or one or two times experience with a particular piece of equipment.
Take care .

[Ziggz]

The Church STC-11 mics will give you nice results. I was finally able to get to a show with them recently and was real pleased with them. Here's a short sample:  STC-11 -> SP battery box (no rolloff) -> R09 http://www.zshare.net/audio/2638903d3e4fb3/

[muziklvr]

I've got an R09, and a pair of Church-Audio mics. I've not taped any loud shows yet, but I'm assured that the combination I have will handle it. For quieter shows a preamp is definately in order, although I've had pleasing results for quiet shows with just the mics and the R09.

http://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO

Lots of people will undoubtedly recommend Mr Church's wares, and quite right too. Excellent quality, excellent value. (Mine are the STC-11 'croakie' mics, btw).



Hope that helps!

wow lots of great advice here...powermonkey do you use a battery box on your setup? or is it just the Church audio mics straight into the r-09?

[powermonkey]

I've got an R09, and a pair of Church-Audio mics. I've not taped any loud shows yet, but I'm assured that the combination I have will handle it. For quieter shows a preamp is definately in order, although I've had pleasing results for quiet shows with just the mics and the R09.

http://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO

Lots of people will undoubtedly recommend Mr Church's wares, and quite right too. Excellent quality, excellent value. (Mine are the STC-11 'croakie' mics, btw).



Hope that helps!

wow lots of great advice here...powermonkey do you use a battery box on your setup? or is it just the Church audio mics straight into the r-09?

First show I went mics straight into the R09 (mic-in, mic power on). Wasn't a loud show, but sounded good to me for a first go. Second show I borrowed a Church Audio ST9000 pre, (line-in) and the improvement in quality was great.

I'd advise checking the live music archive for shows that have been taped using CA kit, and PM Mr Church, too, he'll hook you up with some samples of loud shows.

[MSTaper]

Excellent help, guys!  Thanks a bunch. I have the R-09 coming and spoke to Chris about the ST-9000 and STC-11 card deal, which will take a few weeks, which is fine. From the feedback from folks with similar rigs and the clips I've heard, I'll have a decent first rig to play with. Now I'll just have to work on getting results! Thanks again, you guys are great! rWc3523

[muziklvr]

yes thanks a bunch for the tips. ..I'm also waiting to hear from Mr Church.