Topic: stealthing cardioids for first show

[dimm0k]

Most likely going to have to go stealth for an upcoming show and will be doing so with Church-Audio's cardioids and preamp.  I'm approximately 5'6" and was wondering if it would present any problems if I were to place the cardioids under my dress shirt's collar.

[PG]

I would say yes. The sound will be more muffled and you wont have good control over the positioning of the mics. At your height you will likely be blocked by someone taller's back.

[danlynch]

I assume there are clips on these mics.  Wear a baseball hat, where you can either turn it backwards and clip to the band at your temples, or wear it straight and clip on either side of the brim also at your temples.

Run the cables up inside the hat, and bring them down the center of the back of your neck and through your shirt.

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[attheshow]

The other problem with "under" your shirt collar is that you'll have loud annoying noises on your recording every time the material touches or rubs the mic (every time you move). Ask me how I know... Don't let this spoil a good recording!

[dimm0k]

Hrmm, well with my dress shirts the collars are pretty stiff so wouldn't taping it to the collar prevent the sound of rubbing?  I don't wear ties so the collars are open.

As for the cap idea it sounds like an option, but wouldn't it be noticeable with mics sticking out of a cap?

[Belexes]

I have yet to try it, but I doubt the problems with the under the collar method, especially a concert with high SPL's...muffling still?  I don't move much when I record. I'm a statute.  I might go as a Bogen mic stand for Halloween.

[dorrcoq]

I'm an "under the collar" guy, and never had a problem

[dimm0k]

I'm an "under the collar" guy, and never had a problem

Can you provide some details on your equipment setup...
is your collar open?
how do you place the pics, straight, outwards, etc?
how do you run the mic cable from your equipment to your collar?

[faninor]

I have yet to try it, but I doubt the problems with the under the collar method, especially a concert with high SPL's...muffling still?  I don't move much when I record. I'm a statute.  I might go as a Bogen mic stand for Halloween.

Even with high SPLs, having a clear "line of sight" from the sound source to your microphone is important. High frequency sounds do not diffract well, and an object directly in front of the mics will really hurt the higher frequencies (although lower frequencies will make it to you just fine). This is how you get muffled sound in the first place, and just because it's very loud doesn't mean it won't still be muffled, although extreme volume may help somewhat (I'm not sure). I've run cardioids from my shoulders, collar, chest, and glasses, and the higher I can get them usually the better the recording sounds. When I go under the collar, I try to get them pointed forward at angles to the left and right, and maybe tilted up to a varying degree depending on where the sound is coming from. I put the cables down the front of my shirt behind the buttons and then into a pocket.

[Belexes]

faninor, that makes sense. +T. I think if I go under the collar, I'll move the mics forward and out away from the back of my neck to project more towards the sound source.

[wklitz]

I once ran my Schoeps MK4's at a Rush concert rolled up in my turtle-neck (due to forgetting something else in the car) and the recording came out great.  As said above, just make sure they aren't blocked by someone or something between them and the music.

[ninjadave]

i'm with you Belexes....the human mic stand.    i always need a good neck rub after i tape, especially if the show is long like these past rush gigs.....  

good luck whatever you do, the higher on the body/head the better....so do what you can...Belexes got it nailed....

ninja.

[nameloc01]

You need to wear those mics so as they point at the stacks..un-obstructed. So that should explain it basically.

[boyacrobat]

if your doing collars try using your neck more for that extra imaging of stereo
neck baffle

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[dimm0k]

if your doing collars try using your neck more for that extra imaging of stereo
neck baffle

g

Care to elaborate on this?