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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #285 on: April 22, 2008, 11:07:24 PM »
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #286 on: April 23, 2008, 05:28:28 PM »
Had a problem with Transcend 16Gb SDHC Class 6 cards...testing the unit with 4channels @ 48/24 with phantom enabled on all four channels got a sd card slow message....unit would not shutdown and had to remove batteries to power off.  Testing with a 8 gb Sandisk  proved ok....   Curious of what other are using for cards  (successfully)

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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #287 on: April 23, 2008, 08:36:04 PM »
Had a problem with Transcend 16Gb SDHC Class 6 cards...testing the unit with 4channels @ 48/24 with phantom enabled on all four channels got a sd card slow message....unit would not shutdown and had to remove batteries to power off.  Testing with a 8 gb Sandisk  proved ok....   Curious of what other are using for cards  (successfully)

Thats the card I am using, although it has not run 4xphantom yet; just Stereox2 wth no issues.
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #288 on: April 23, 2008, 08:43:56 PM »
Had a problem with Transcend 16Gb SDHC Class 6 cards...testing the unit with 4channels @ 48/24 with phantom enabled on all four channels got a sd card slow message....unit would not shutdown and had to remove batteries to power off.  Testing with a 8 gb Sandisk  proved ok....   Curious of what other are using for cards  (successfully)

Were you do 4xmono or 2xStereo? I doubt the size of the card would make any difference.
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #289 on: April 23, 2008, 10:17:11 PM »
4xMono has caused others grief on the other units. I always run 2xStereo at 24/44.1 and have never had a problem (on stock R4). It's easy enough to split out mono tracks if you need them in post, so I'd suggest ppl stick with 2xStereo. After all, if you run 4xMono, chances are at least two channels are a stereo pair anyway, so you'd have to put them back together in post anyway, so what's the difference?
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #290 on: April 23, 2008, 10:33:34 PM »
After all, if you run 4xMono, chances are at least two channels are a stereo pair anyway, so you'd have to put them back together in post anyway, so what's the difference?

For me there is a significant time difference when editing in post.  Once I went 4xmono it made everything for me a whole lot more streamlined.   

All in what you're used to I guess.

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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #291 on: April 23, 2008, 11:53:33 PM »
In Vegas you can just drag/drop multiple copies of stereo or mono files from track to track, and with a simple right-click on any event you can choose R, L, or Stereo. Done.

But my main point was that there are multiple TS-documented instances of 4x mono freezing up (I think, heh) and there are no documented instances of that for 2x stereo (that I've seen on TS -- I think). Just saying...

I'm all for 4xMono too by the way, I love my R4.  :)
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #292 on: April 23, 2008, 11:55:33 PM »
Oh, and one more plug for Vegas, you can do all that dragging/dropping with flac files native on the timeline, heh. I now flac my originals immediately and then edit non-destructively on those flac files from vegas. Such a nice workflow...
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #293 on: April 24, 2008, 12:19:17 AM »
Oh, and one more plug for Vegas, you can do all that dragging/dropping with flac files native on the timeline, heh. I now flac my originals immediately and then edit non-destructively on those flac files from vegas. Such a nice workflow...
One more thumb up for 4 x mono and Vegas only after I mix to two channel then I use SF 8.
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #294 on: April 24, 2008, 01:09:28 AM »
Oh, and one more plug for Vegas, you can do all that dragging/dropping with flac files native on the timeline, heh. I now flac my originals immediately and then edit non-destructively on those flac files from vegas. Such a nice workflow...
One more thumb up for 4 x mono and Vegas only after I mix to two channel then I use SF 8.


Why even bother with SF? You can do your entire edit non-destructively in vegas with endless plugins, automation, etc. Then as long as you have the original flac and the vegas project file, you can re-render out a new master anytime you want in the future. So nice.
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #295 on: April 24, 2008, 01:25:26 AM »
I can't let go of this lack of pan control issue in the otherwise excellent R44 - sorry to be boring!  But really, providing for balance control in the monitor mixer menu page would seem to me significantly to extend the market for the device further.  It would enable proper playback on location without needing to have a mixer connected to the channel outputs - which to my mind is one item too many to carry around, especially as it would probably be larger and heavier than the recorder, and not battery powered (unless disproportionately expensive).

As it stands, monitoring options are restricted to those set out at the back of the manual.  You can (in summary) either listen to each channel one at a time, or in stereo pairs (one pair or both pairs) or all four in mono.  You can't listen to channel 1 on the left, channel two on the right, and channel three in the middle (for instance), neither can you do anything more subtle like listening to channel 1 on the left, channel two on the right, and channel three half-way between the right and the centre.

Why would you want to?  Well, say you were recording four singers standing in a row, each with a mic.  How would you play that back (or monitor it) in stereo without the positioning of the singers being completely scrambled?

If the CPU in the device was basically capable of outputting other than left/right/centre as at present, it could work as follows:-

The present mixer menu page would remain as at present, and you'd cursor across the four faders as at present, from one to four, adjusting monitor levels with the jog wheel.  Anyone not interested in pan controls would not see them and could ignore them.  But if you cursored to the right from fader four, you'd find yourself in a pan page, very much like the fader page, but with the faders horizontal, controlling pan.  Further presses on the right cursor would go from pan control one through four.  Turning the jog wheel would set the pan position/value for the current pan control.  Cursor left from the first pan control to get back to the present fader page.  Conceptually it would be like a set of four level faders with four balance faders to their right, but lack of space would require the split across two display pages.

Everything else would stay the same.  To hear the panned mix, you'd press the headphone volume control as at present until the "LR" appeared against all channels on the display (as at present).  If you hadn't altered the channel pans, that would as at present give you a mono mix of all channels.  If you had altered the pans, you'd hear a stereo mix reflecting the pan changes you had made.

So, to repeat, what I'm suggesting would make no difference that I can see for someone not wanting to get into pans.  It would work for them just like now.  But the extra pan page (if you chose to access it) would make a huge difference in usability for the device for those needing panned monitoring direct from the device. 

I suspect such a thing could be added through a firmware upgrade.  I've seen references to people here talking to Frank of Roland, and if anyone can suggest a contact route to him, I'd be very keen to put this proposal forward.  Just sending an email to Roland would probably not get the idea to the right place.

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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #296 on: April 24, 2008, 02:54:10 AM »
What is strange is after the problems develops on the 16gb transcend card, it can't be reformated...either in the R44 any any other SDHC device.   Both cards I have are doing the same thing.  However, I use a 8gb Sandisk card and I can record 4 X mono with no problems....
I'm suspecting a card issue...and I'm going to replace with another brand and check
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #297 on: April 24, 2008, 04:50:09 AM »
When recording, or when record-paused, is it possible to display the monitor mix menu screen?  The manual implies that it can't be done, which would be a problem.

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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #298 on: April 24, 2008, 08:55:46 AM »

Has anyone tried to see if the digital input resamples?
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Re: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder
« Reply #299 on: April 24, 2008, 10:53:26 AM »
When recording, or when record-paused, is it possible to display the monitor mix menu screen?  The manual implies that it can't be done, which would be a problem.

On an R4 at least, no. Monitoring options are extremely limited. If you need robust monitoring, you're probably going to need to look elsewhere... Then again, at this price point with 4 chanels, 4 pres, 4 phantom, you don't have much choice.
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